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[帅的一匹]

Whether S35 is worth of buying, we will see the result after it field against J20 in the combat Excercise.

 

[Deino]

Whether S35 is worth of buying, we will see the result after it field against J20 in the combat Excercise.

Why do some here always measure the Su-35 against the J-20 ? There are hundreds of other fourth-generation types around in all potential conflicts and until the F-35 will appear in larger numbers they will be fine enough. And if, then the J-20 will do its job.

So I really don't understand this upset within some Chinese circles. It is affine fourth-plus generation fighter, that immediately brigs additional capabilities to the PLAAF and experience is always good.

So why all this upset ?

Deino

 

[帅的一匹]

Why do some here always measure the Su-35 against the J-20 ? There are hundreds of other fourth-generation types around in all potential conflicts and until the F-35 will appear in larger numbers they will be fine enough. And if, then the J-20 will do its job.

So I really don't understand this upset within some Chinese circles. It is affine fourth-plus generation fighter, that immediately brigs additional capabilities to the PLAAF and experience is always good.

So why all this upset ?

Deino

Bro, it's not about upset. It's about the value Su35 can contribute dealing with Stealthy fighters. If it works, we will buy more. If it performs pathetic, we will turn the page. Chinese are realistic people, they don't want to spendmoney to no avail. I'm ok with

Su35 is a monster in WVR, we will see how it perform in BVR.

 

[Deino]

Bro, it's not about upset. It's about the value Su35 can contribute dealing with Stealthy fighters. If it works, we will buy more. If it performs pathetic, we will turn the page. Chinese are realistic people, they don't want to spendmoney to no avail. I'm ok with

Su35 is a monster in WVR, we will see how it perform in BVR.

Completely agreed, but the main issue is - as You explained "Stealthy fighters" - but at least currently there are not so many of them out there and for those few the J-20 will be the toy of choice. Consequently for all what is currently available there right now and for a long, long time a Su-35 is a perfect fighter against any potential adversary.

 

[Khafee]

Completely agreed, but the main issue is - as You explained "Stealthy fighters" - but at least currently there are not so many of them out there and for those few the J-20 will be the toy of choice. Consequently for all what is currently available there right now and for a long, long time a Su-35 is a perfect fighter against any potential adversary.

How does SU-35 fair on the EW side?

 

[Deino]

Sorry ... I have no info !

 

[帅的一匹]

How does SU-35 fair on the EW side?

Its a mysterious fighter until now.

 

[Naif al Hilali]

How does SU-35 fair on the EW side?

currently has:

N035 Irbis-E PESA (Passive Electronically Scanned Array) Radar, a follow-on to the Bars-M
Rear-looking self-defense radar in shorter tail sting
L175M Khibiny-M electronic-warfare self-defense system
OLS-35 optoelectronic targeting system that provides laser ranging, TV, infra-red search and track (IRST) functionality
Reduced radar cross-section (RCS) though still slightly large by 4++ generation standards

The OLS-35's air-to-air employability and the excellent radar warning receivers can keep it silent for a while but they have limited range and the airframe and radar themselves are noisy. The PESA radar is a generation behind your Block 60's AESAs.

There have been reports for a while of the Zhuk-AE AESA being slotted for integration; initial reports suggested it is not as advanced developmentally and technologically as the current Israeli/Chinese versions let alone US/European AESAs. The Low Probability of Interception [LPI] modes should help, though we know nothing about its effectiveness in assisting the onboard jammers.

The Khibiny ECM system itself is large and certainly powerful. Sophistication was supposed to be behind French and American systems but recent re-appraisals of Russian ECM capability leave that question open. The Russian reports of the April 2014 disabling of the AEGIS radar system of the USS Donald Cook by an SU-24 equipped with this system have not yet been commented on by the Americans, I believe.

Russians are good in propulsion (a little behind the Americans and French now), Surface-Launched Missiles, and Analog ECM. They are catching up on the digital side of things now.

The best ECM (in sophistication) currently is supposed to be the Rafale's Spectra, SAAB Gripen-E's well-integrated systems, and the US AIDEWS (and ALR) systems.

The Russians are great with their equations though and their systems always have huge power, so it is better to be wary of them, although I would be even more concerned about their new generations of ground radars and ECM equipment. Thankfully their woeful economic situation precludes them from deploying enough of all these (except the SAMs which they have plenty of and of which even the older versions are still very potent). Also, they won't give the good electronic stuff to anybody ever (including India now).

 

[juj06750]

it seems that russian media gives another bullshit


Taiwan's union newspaper quoted the Russian media as saying that it took action on the AL-41F1S engine of all fighters Russia sold to China. According to the Russian media, Yevgeny Bozynski, chairman of the Russian Policy Research Center (PIR), who is from the military, said that he did not give high technology to China in the absence of any action.

"If we touch the key areas where China has touched it, the whole engine will be damaged to the point where it can not be used," he said. He added, "The Su-35 exported to China is not the same as the one for the Russian Air Force, and we have our own version for export and export."

"The two sides have signed an agreement to protect intellectual property rights," the Russian Far East Khabarovsk State Komsomolskornamurese city with a manufacturing plant Su-35 said, "The fighter will never be replicated without approval." However, it is known that most of the Russian experts have a negative stance on whether China will faithfully implement the agreement.

In November 2015, Russia signed a $ 2 billion ($ 83 million) contract to export 24 Su-35 fighters to China. That same month, the Chinese Ministry of National Defense confirmed the contract. Russia plans to deliver the remaining 20s to China by 2018.


russian says it worries china's copy of its engine
remember, it was russia that want to sell the rubbish to china for a decade
china don't even need them all
it seems that russia wants to keep its pride as it leaving false message to its state media

Ridiculous RUSSIA !!!

 

[ptldM3]

it seems that russian media gives another bullshit


Taiwan's union newspaper quoted the Russian media as saying that it took action on the AL-41F1S engine of all fighters Russia sold to China. According to the Russian media, Yevgeny Bozynski, chairman of the Russian Policy Research Center (PIR), who is from the military, said that he did not give high technology to China in the absence of any action.

"If we touch the key areas where China has touched it, the whole engine will be damaged to the point where it can not be used," he said. He added, "The Su-35 exported to China is not the same as the one for the Russian Air Force, and we have our own version for export and export."

"The two sides have signed an agreement to protect intellectual property rights," the Russian Far East Khabarovsk State Komsomolskornamurese city with a manufacturing plant Su-35 said, "The fighter will never be replicated without approval." However, it is known that most of the Russian experts have a negative stance on whether China will faithfully implement the agreement.

In November 2015, Russia signed a $ 2 billion ($ 83 million) contract to export 24 Su-35 fighters to China. That same month, the Chinese Ministry of National Defense confirmed the contract. Russia plans to deliver the remaining 20s to China by 2018.


russian says it worries china's copy of its engine
remember, it was russia that want to sell the rubbish to china for a decade
china don't even need them all
it seems that russia wants to keep its pride as it leaving false message to its state media

Ridiculous RUSSIA !!!

Someone seems frustrated, no one is forcing China to buy Russian "rubbish". The two most rediculus excuses I hear on this forum is that China only buys Russian enegines to offset some kind of trade imbalance...pretty stupid excuse, the other excuse is that China only buys Russian engines because it can't fulfill the orders demesically....another lame excuse considering China produced thousands of engines in the past.

 

[juj06750]

The People's Liberation Army's website, 81.cn, recently said that with the commissioning of the J-20, China's domestically developed stealth fighter, Russia understood that the Su-35 "will lose its value on the Chinese market in the near future", so was eager to complete the Su-35 deal. The Su-35 is Russia's most advanced fighter jet in use.

The article also takes pride in the PLA no longer needing Russian-made air defense missiles or transport planes because it now has the indigenous, cutting-edge HQ-9B long-range surface-to-air missile and Y-20 strategic transport aircraft.



it seems that china officially rejected russia's another eager proposals to buy its S400 SAM and IL76 planes instead of receiving the useless four su35s . I hope that china returns those su35s back to russia soon . and please would china say "now you (russia) no longer need to worry about copyrights of your engine"

 

[帅的一匹]

China and Russia military trading had been on a halt since early 2000. Su35 is the last platform we will induct from Russia. We will continue to induct Russian engines.

 

[Deino]

China daily and PLA 81.cn confirmed this deal and they confirmed deliveries of the Su-35, though they did not elaborate.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-01/06/content_27877527.htm

New technology may put an end to such imports in the future

The Chinese military has confirmed that it received four Russian-made Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets in late December, but noted that the Su-35 might be the last combat plane China would import thanks to its own defense advances.

The People's Liberation Army's website, 81.cn, recently said that with the commissioning of the J-20, China's domestically developed stealth fighter, Russia understood that the Su-35 "will lose its value on the Chinese market in the near future", so was eager to complete the Su-35 deal. The Su-35 is Russia's most advanced fighter jet in use.

The article also takes pride in the PLA no longer needing Russian-made air defense missiles or transport planes because it now has the indigenous, cutting-edge HQ-9B long-range surface-to-air missile and Y-20 strategic transport aircraft.

"Therefore we hope very much that Su-35 will be the last (combat) aircraft China imports," it said.

This is the first time the Chinese military has confirmed deliveries of the Su-35, though it did not elaborate.

In late December, some Chinese military enthusiasts posted a photograph of what they said was a Su-35 with the PLA Air Force's colors flying over a military air base in China, sparking a debate on whether deliveries of the aircraft had begun.

Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Rostec, Russia's state technology corporation, said in November 2015 that Russia and China had signed a contract that was estimated to be worth $2 billion for 24 Su-35s. The deal was later confirmed by Wu Qian, a spokesman for China's Defense Ministry.

Russian news agency TASS quoted an unnamed source within Russia's international military-technical cooperation system as reporting in mid-December that the first deliveries of the aircraft were scheduled in 2017, but "eventually a decision was made to speed up the process and to provide the first batch in the last days" of 2016.

The Su-35 has engines that can point in different directions for increased maneuverability, and phased array antenna radar, which provides better performance against stealth aircraft. It has a maximum speed of 2,500 km/h and can fly 3,400 km without refueling, according to TASS. The fighter is armed with a 30 mm gun and can carry 12 bombs or missiles, the report said.

China bought a large number of Su-27 and Su-30 multirole fighter jets from Russia in the 1990s and early 2000s. China also has built licensed variants. These Sukhoi planes are a pillar of the PLA Air Force and the PLA Navy's aviation wing.

Wang Ya'nan, editor-in-chief of Aerospace Knowledge, told China Daily that the Su-35 will help the PLA fill the gap before it has enough J-20s. He said the new addition will also facilitate China's efforts to upgrade its current Sukhoi jets.

 

[Deino]

Only another fake !?? ... but anyway a nice one

 

[grey boy 2]