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[Akasa]

Things are getting more commercialized that Russia could offer arms sales to just any country including countries that have close ties to America such as South Korea. India is turning towards Europeans and Americans for major arms purchase. Which means Russia will have to look for new potential customers such as PA. China doesn't control PA but more of arms supplier. Of course PA could buy Russian weapons without through China.



Glad the jh7b didn't make it. It's not a good attack aircraft and was part of China aviation tech experiments to gain experience on developing aircraft. J16d is a better fighter bomber.

As for Russia, in future, they will cooperate more with China through indirect technology transfer such as sales pf su35. Of course, China must purchase certain numbers in order for Russian military manufacturers to earn profit enough for future R & D on new weapons.

The J-16D is an electronic warfare aircraft, not a fighter-bomber. I highly doubt that the sale of Su-35 includes a technology transfer; as a matter of fact, the Chinese are said to be retrofitting them with Chinese avionics and other subsystems.

 

[Akasa]

While in recent years China has have made huge technological advances of its own, Russian military technology—particularly for jet engines—is light-years ahead. Once the Su-35 is delivered, the jets are almost certainly to be reverse engineered and copied. One can initially expect advanced derivatives of the J-11 Flanker clone, but an entirely new Su-35 clone might follow as well.

This is highly unlikely given the development of the J-11D, which should incorporate subsystems that match, if not surpass, those found on the Su-35 in terms of capability and role. This prospect is further hampered by the fact that the Chinese are rumored to be retrofitting these Su-35s with Chinese subsystems, including avionics and weaponry.

 

[Deino]

any idea what color scheme they will be having?

Maybe something like this ... ? I would love to see the PLAAF reintroduce some unit markings again....

 

[Blue Marlin]

Maybe something like this ... ? I would love to see the PLAAF reintroduce some unit markings again....

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its very plain...... maybe thats why they introduced it, so knoone knows which unit there from

 

[kungfugymnast]

The J-16D is an electronic warfare aircraft, not a fighter-bomber. I highly doubt that the sale of Su-35 includes a technology transfer; as a matter of fact, the Chinese are said to be retrofitting them with Chinese avionics and other subsystems.

J16 is not China variant of su30mkk? Or j16 D variant only is AEW ECM?

The su35, China wanted its AL41 engine to assist WS15 engine for j20. For avionics, China got better tech from Western engineers.

 

[Akasa]

J16 is not China variant of su30mkk? Or j16 D variant only is AEW ECM?

The J-16 family was developed from the J-11BS, not the Su-30MKK.

The su35, China wanted its AL41 engine to assist WS15 engine for j20. For avionics, China got better tech from Western engineers.

There is little evidence to suggest that the Chinese are interested in the Al-41F, or that the latter was slated to be a template for the WS-15. There is also nothing concrete to suggest that the Chinese developed their avionics from Western designs.

 

[Deino]

The J-16 family was developed from the J-11BS, not the Su-30MKK..

That's not entirely correct: if You look at all Su-27SK to Su-30MKK and again J-11B to J-16 details, then the J-16 is de facto a MKK-copy since it features the same heavier twin-tyre-landing gear, the same IFR-probe + off-set IRST-device, the same - and that's my most important detail ! - taller vertical tails with the same enlarged rudder (and most likely also the fuel cells) albeit without the squared fin-caps. If it would be "only" a BS-development then there would be much more similarities to the trainer version and not to the MKK.


Deino

 

[Akasa]

That's not entirely correct: if You look at all Su-27SK to Su-30MKK and again J-11B to J-16 details, then the J-16 is de facto a MKK-copy since it features the same heavier twin-tyre-landing gear, the same IFR-probe + off-set IRST-device, the same - and that's my most important detail ! - taller vertical tails with the same enlarged rudder (and most likely also the fuel cells) albeit without the squared fin-caps. If it would be "only" a BS-development then there would be much more similarities to the trainer version and not to the MKK.


Deino

Well, the tires are added after the main fuselage is assembled and not necessarily an inherent part of the airframe itself. As for the IRST being off-set, it could simply be a requirement of having an IFR and once again not really a hallmark of the Su-30MKK airframe design. However, take note that the J-16 and J-11BS have the same vertical stabilizer tips (the jagged one as opposed to the MKK's square one), indicating that the two were derived from the same configuration.

Moreover, it would be immensely easier for SAC to simply develop the J-16 using a present and in-production airframe than one that they probably have never taken apart.

 

[Deino]

Well, the tires are added after the main fuselage is assembled and not necessarily an inherent part of the airframe itself. As for the IRST being off-set, it could simply be a requirement of having an IFR and once again not really a hallmark of the Su-30MKK airframe design. However, take note that the J-16 and J-11BS have the same vertical stabilizer tips (the jagged one as opposed to the MKK's square one), indicating that the two were derived from the same configuration.

Moreover, it would be immensely easier for SAC to simply develop the J-16 using a present and in-production airframe than one that they probably have never taken apart.

YES, but just two points ...

1. are You sure that the MKK and the standard fighters differ only in the number of tyres ? As far as I know the MKK's gear are also stronger / thicker in material (but I'm not sure to admit).

2. Agreed ... but I would go even as far that I won't exclude a secret deal or agreement behind, which "assisted" or at least "agreed" the Chinese to develop their trainer J-11BS and the J-16 ...

 

[艹艹艹]

Satellite news, Moscow, August 2 (Xinhua) Russian Federal Science and industry group company (rostec) general manager Mr. chemezov in talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin said that 2015 already according to Rosoboronexport's first export contract to China to sell 24 Su-35 aircraft.

The aircraft may have advanced "Irbis-E" radar control system, which can detect, track and measure the position of air, ground and water targets in any natural condition and human disturbance. Russia claims that, by virtue of a variety of advanced equipment, the majority of the performance of the Soviet Union -35 indicators have reached the requirements of the fifth generation fighter.

 

[nang2]

what the neck is Soviet union 35? haha

 

[Ultima Thule]

Satellite news, Moscow, August 2 (Xinhua) Russian Federal Science and industry group company (rostec) general manager Mr. chemezov in talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin said that 2015 already according to Rosoboronexport's first export contract to China to sell 24 Su-35 aircraft.

The aircraft may have advanced "Irbis-E" radar control system, which can detect, track and measure the position of air, ground and water targets in any natural condition and human disturbance. Russia claims that, by virtue of a variety of advanced equipment, the majority of the performance of the Soviet Union -35 indicators have reached the requirements of the fifth generation fighter.

this is an old news why you are repeating it?

 

[艹艹艹]

this is an old news why you are repeating it?

The news means that the plane has arrived in China.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The news means that the plane has arrived in China.

the above your post doesn't mention it, it will only mention that you are buying SU-35 form russia nothing else

 

[艹艹艹]

the above your post doesn't mention it, it will only mention that you are buying SU-35 form russia nothing else

Delivered at the end of this year 8 Su 35
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