China: Abusing history?

[huzihaidao12]

China showed the historical evident but there was the record or notes could not realize the location in fact where is it and names was difference, very nontransparent, there was some where oversea (海&#22806. China is liasing about nature of such historical documents
At beginning of last century, when Vietnam authority protest to Qing dynasty about an accident by Hoang Sa, Canton governor answered that Hoang Sa no belong to China so that they don't have responsive about. It's evident that from long time China didn't control Hoang Sa and TruongSA.
Vietnam Nguyen's Lord and late on Nguyen's Dynastry has been issued official statement to control both Islands.

If you say "vague", to a certain extent, I agree, it is not clear enough as modern, but, I think, to the ancient standard for an area of sovereignty, it is sufficient, first it has a clear statement of a region, the second, there are some islands name, though not all the islands, and, the Qing dynasty, more like a modern record, a very detailed records.

In fact, the first Vietnam's claims in the South China Sea, it is the colonial era, I said, it has the background and reasons, leaving aside for it, but your claim is claiming that the Chinese government to declare to abandon it? No. Your example the total is more like gossip and rumors, no formal and official information.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Modern understanding has settlement and administration to qualify as sovereignty. The reason why China has to resort to abusing history is because the Chinese government know China failed in both modern understanding. Absent both factors, especially administration, and modern powers will see it as abandonment.

You see, GAMIT, in fact, your logic is that might is right, I said that if Vietnam is to this logic, I can agree ,but you can determine the Vietnam hope so? Also, I do not care how narrow you in the end, but so to speak, failed and successful period of time, it will not be missing in China's history. From the valley to the top, we can always rise again and again, you know it?

 

[gambit]

If you say "vague", to a certain extent, I agree, it is not clear enough as modern, but, I think, to the ancient standard for an area of sovereignty, it is sufficient, first it has a clear statement of a region, the second, there are some islands name, though not all the islands, and, the Qing dynasty, more like a modern record, a very detailed records.

In fact, the first Vietnam's claims in the South China Sea, it is the colonial era, I said, it has the background and reasons, leaving aside for it, but your claim is claiming that the Chinese government to declare to abandon it? No. Your example the total is more like gossip and rumors, no formal and official information.

I do not need to declare an abandonment. I can simply discard, or ignore, or even cede. The more explicit the act -- cede -- the less ambiguous the abandonment. Incompetence towards administration over long period of time can be seen as abandonment. Inability to challenge or indifference to later claim by another WILL be seen as abandonment.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I do not need to declare an abandonment. I can simply discard, or ignore, or even cede. The more explicit the act -- cede -- the less ambiguous the abandonment. Incompetence towards administration over long period of time can be seen as abandonment. Inability to challenge or indifference to later claim by another WILL be seen as abandonment.

You serious? Ok, leaving aside how ridiculous your logic, so to speak, China's management has continued to this day from the Tang, so your argument can into the trash.

 

[gambit]

You serious? Ok, leaving aside how ridiculous your logic, so to speak, China's management has continued to this day from the Tang, so your argument can into the trash.

If that is the case, then China can settle the issue in international arbitration. But the fact that China has to resort to stretching history and ignore modern understanding of sovereignty mean China's claim to the islands and this area of the sea is tenuous at best. China's interest in this is best serve through war and that will make China look the bully, as if we 'inferior' Asians do not already know that.

 

[huzihaidao12]

If that is the case, then China can settle the issue in international arbitration. But the fact that China has to resort to stretching history and ignore modern understanding of sovereignty mean China's claim to the islands and this area of the sea is tenuous at best. China's interest in this is best serve through war and that will make China look the bully, as if we 'inferior' Asians do not already know that.

international arbitration? you believe it? a Security Council resolution for the no-fly zone, into a bombing pass, you believe there is any fairness and justice in the so-called international arbitration? you daydream? In fact, most of the territorial dispute must not have any international arbitration, such as the United Kingdom and Argentina..

 

[EastSea]

If you say "vague", to a certain extent, I agree, it is not clear enough as modern, but, I think, to the ancient standard for an area of sovereignty, it is sufficient, first it has a clear statement of a region, the second, there are some islands name, though not all the islands, and, the Qing dynasty, more like a modern record, a very detailed records.

In fact, the first Vietnam's claims in the South China Sea, it is the colonial era, I said, it has the background and reasons, leaving aside for it, but your claim is claiming that the Chinese government to declare to abandon it? No. Your example the total is more like gossip and rumors, no formal and official information.

Nguyen's Lord went to south from 1600s, then he has been made control on Islands, not from colonies time.

 

[gambit]

international arbitration? you believe it? a Security Council resolution for the no-fly zone, into a bombing pass, you believe there is any fairness and justice in the so-called international arbitration? you daydream? In fact, most of the territorial dispute must not have any international arbitration, such as the United Kingdom and Argentina..

Then go to war. What do you have to worry about? You most likely are a conscript reject anyway. Your life will be fine, along with all the other Chinese warmongers who live in the West.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Then go to war. What do you have to worry about? You most likely are a conscript reject anyway. Your life will be fine, along with all the other Chinese warmongers who live in the West.

Do you think I was afraid that when the war is really coming? I will apply, if war occurs, so the final still might is right? Rest assured, the most worried about who will not is China.

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Every generation has own responsibility, you can easily escape from Vietnam, we are only able to afford our own country, if it is our responsibility, not avoid. That is all, the United States Vietnamese.

 

[beijingwalker]

Then go to war. What do you have to worry about? You most likely are a conscript reject anyway. Your life will be fine, along with all the other Chinese warmongers who live in the West.

already happened in 1974 and 1988.if situation doesnt get improved,it's very likely to happen again.In 1974 the South Vietnam ally US and in 1988 the North Vietnam ally USSR both did nothing but standing by watching Vietnamese warships burn and sink.and now Vietnam has no treaty allies anymore,so dont count on world powers,they are never reliable,history again and agian proved that,you have to rely on yourself.

 

[EastSea]

already happened in 1974 and 1988.if situation doesnt get improved,it's very likely to happen again.In 1974 the South Vietnam ally US and in 1988 the North Vietnam ally USSR both did nothing but standing by watching Vietnamese warships burn and sink.and now Vietnam has no treaty allies anymore,so dont count on world powers,they are never reliable,history again and agian proved that,you have to rely on yourself.

occupation with force is illegal action. China don't have evident to claim it, then they do like sea robbers.

 

[NiceGuy]

already happened in 1974 and 1988.if situation doesnt get improved,it's very likely to happen again.In 1974 the South Vietnam ally US and in 1988 the North Vietnam ally USSR both did nothing but standing by watching Vietnamese warships burn and sink.and now Vietnam has no treaty allies anymore,so dont count on world powers,they are never reliable,history again and agian proved that,you have to rely on yourself.

In 1974 , US betrayed South VietNam and US seven fleet ignored to help S.VN navy .

In 1988 , with your big daddy support again , you attacked our unfired back soldiers and robed one more atoll

But now, Big Daddy hate you already , no one behind your back anymore , so , it time to return all islands to us and stop violating our EEZ or we have to ram your ship

 

[beijingwalker]

occupation with force is illegal action. China don't have evident to claim it, then they do like sea robbers.

it was not occupation,those islands are always ours,even before Vietnam was a country.

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In 1974 , US betrayed South VietNam and US seven fleet ignored to help S.VN navy .

In 1988 , with your big daddy support again , you attacked our unfired back soldiers and robed one more atoll

But now, Big Daddy hate you already , no one behind your back anymore , so , it time to return all islands to us and stop violating our EEZ or we have to ram your ship

who is your big daddy?what do you mean?

 

[NiceGuy]

it was not occupation,those islands are always ours,even before Vietnam was a country.

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who is your big daddy?what do you mean?

You talk like UK want America back to her hand again , sorry, you must obey the international law , or withdraw to live with your own laws "

who is your big daddy?what do you mean?

You could rob our island bcz you had US support . if not You never could take our island when South VN have protection from US Seven fleet

 

[beijingwalker]

in 1974 and in 1988 both south and north Vietnams had treaty superpower allies,but now Vietnam may have a couple of moral supporters,but treaty allies no more.and in those old times China was very poor,poorer than south Vietnam.but things changed a lot since then,you know what I mean.