Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[hk299792458]

Three J-20 every month. Each production line 36 a year. Two lines. 72 a year. Three regiments a year.

http://www.fyjs.cn/thread-1849698-1-1.html

Can anyone debunk any of this?

After more than 10 years of production, all J-10 serial production lines conbined produce 3 to 4 aircrafts per month.

And now someone claims that since the 2nd year of (pre)serial production, the J-20 could reach 6 per month ?

Sorry, but I think in chinese you call it 打了鸡血, isn't it ?

More seriously, today no any official information confirm this production rate, and in an another hand, pilots transformation couldn't follow. Unless you want to see a lot of planes grounded but without any pilot trained for.

My current (personal) estimation is maximum 7 aircrafts every 9 months. More reasonable the rate could be 1 coming from FAL per month, and each produced aircraft stays 6 months in 132 for factory test flight before delivery.

http://www.eastpendulum.com/quelques-rumeurs-sur-le-j-20

An another factor to be taken into account is the number of engines available.

Even in the case that J-20 uses any WS-10 variant (today I don't believe a word on it), it means you need at least 90 engines per year if you produce 72 aircraft. If today it is already not the case with all Shenyang produced aircrafts, what make us believe that on top of that they can produce 72 to 90 additional engines ?

In the case that J-20 uses AL-31FN like engine, that I still suppose today, one needs to have information on how many engines have been orderd, and how many left today.

Maybe you can based on a similar estimation I made for Y-20 production for further estimation.

http://www.eastpendulum.com/chine-achete-224-moteurs-d-30kp-2

Henri K.

 

[Asoka]

After more than 10 years of production, all J-10 serial production lines conbined produce 3 to 4 aircrafts per month.

And now someone claims that since the 2nd year of (pre)serial production, the J-20 could reach 6 per month ?

Sorry, but I think in chinese you call it 打了鸡血, isn't it ?

More seriously, today no any official information confirm this production rate, and in an another hand, pilots transformation couldn't follow. Unless you want to see a lot of planes grounded but without any pilot trained for.

My current (personal) estimation is maximum 7 aircrafts every 9 months. More reasonable the rate could be 1 coming from FAL per month, and each produced aircraft stays 6 months in 132 for factory test flight before delivery.

http://www.eastpendulum.com/quelques-rumeurs-sur-le-j-20

An another factor to be taken into account is the number of engines available.

Even in the case that J-20 uses any WS-10 variant (today I don't believe a word on it), it means you need at least 90 engines per year if you produce 72 aircraft. If today it is already not the case with all Shenyang produced aircrafts, what make us believe that on top of that they can produce 72 to 90 additional engines ?

In the case that J-20 uses AL-31FN like engine, that I still suppose today, one needs to have information on how many engines have been orderd, and how many left today.

Maybe you can based on a similar estimation I made for Y-20 production for further estimation.

http://www.eastpendulum.com/chine-achete-224-moteurs-d-30kp-2

Henri K.

Your reasoning is flawed because J-10 was never an urgent high priority project that was much needed. All indications points to J-20 is very urgently needed, and has very very high priority in ordered to counter US aggression against China.

Can't you hear the war drums have been beating against China in the last 5 years?

With Trump not even in power yet, the Neocons and Neolibs are already trying to steer Trump onto a war path against China. You will hear even more war drums beating in the coming months and years.

50-100 J-20s is urgently needed right now to train "seed" pilots and develop new tactics and doctrines to integrate J-20 into the existing infrastructures.

If I were China, I would open 3-4 production lines and keep them going full blast until we have 100-200 planes.

Your reasoning is flawed because J-10 was never an urgent high priority project that was much needed. All indications points to J-20 is very urgently needed, and has very very high priority in ordered to counter US aggression against China.

Can't you hear the war drums have been beating against China in the last 5 years?

With Trump not even in power yet, the Neocons and Neolibs are already trying to steer Trump onto a war path against China. You will hear even more war drums beating in the coming months and years.

50-100 J-20s is urgently needed right now to train "seed" pilots and develop new tactics and doctrines to integrate J-20 into the existing infrastructures.

If I were China, I would open 3-4 production lines and keep them going full blast until we have 100-200 planes.

Similarly, the Chinese Navy's ship building activities is in full blast, 3 Yuan class AIP submarines were commissioned at the same time, numerous destroyers and frigates were also commissioned in the last 3 years.

 

[Maxpane]

Guys i heard that engine of j 20 not strong enough is it true? Is china going to repace it anyother engine to give this bird a proper power .

 

[cirr]

Well Six is a start , congradulation from China however I think the plane needs 3-4 more years to properly mature and develop further (In term of marketing and outreach and impact)

J-20A1->A2 ongoing.

 

[S10]

Guys i heard that engine of j 20 not strong enough is it true? Is china going to repace it anyother engine to give this bird a proper power .

Define "strong enough". It's the same engine that powers J-10 and Su-27.

 

[Maxpane]

Define "strong enough". It's the same engine that powers J-10 and Su-27.

Bro i heard that jet's engine does not provide it superspeed. I just want to know that . No offence

 

[Ultima Thule]

I would be quite careful with such claims. If all reports are correct, then we have seen about a dozen J-20s this year and that's already a huge achievement. To triple this to a rate of 36 is close to the production rate of J-10s ... and this has been quite constant since years.

As such ... I would prefer to wait and see.

Deino

Guys i heard that engine of j 20 not strong enough is it true? Is china going to repace it anyother engine to give this bird a proper power .

Currently J-20 uses AL-31FN3 or WS-10X but within a year WS-15 will ready, WS-15 completed its ground tests this year and started testing air testing on IL-78 engine testbed

Bro i heard that jet's engine does not provide it superspeed. I just want to know that . No offence

WS-15

 

[Maxpane]

Currently J-20 uses AL-31FN3 or WS-10X but within a year WS-15 will ready, WS-15 completed its ground tests this year and started testing air testing on IL-78 engin

WS-15

so ws 15 will provide this speed

 

[Ultima Thule]

so ws 15 will provide this speed

Yes,it is in the same class as P&W F119, P&W F135 and AL-41

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

J-20A1->A2 ongoing.

will china give the best with all technologies to Pakistan?

 

[Asoka]

Bro i heard that jet's engine does not provide it superspeed. I just want to know that . No offence

Not true, brother Maxpane. If J-20 is "underpowered", it will not be able to Supercruise, and test the Supersonic maneuverability. China have tested those 4S parameters thoroughly and the Commander of PLAAF found the performance "very satisfactory."

China has not disclosed much about the J-20 Engine, because, we wants to hide some astounding secrets. We don't want to show all our cards yet.

will china give the best with all technologies to Pakistan?

China might teach Pakistan how to design and manufacture a J-10 like fighter to succeed FC-17.

 

[Maxpane]

Not true, brother Maxpane. If J-20 is "underpowered", it will not be able to Supercruise, and test the Supersonic maneuverability. China have tested those 4S parameters thoroughly and the Commander of PLAAF found the performance "very satisfactory."

China has not disclosed much about the J-20 Engine, because, we wants to hide some astounding secrets. We don't want to show all our cards yet.



China might teach Pakistan how to design and manufacture a J-10 like fighter to succeed FC-17.

Okay bro thanks for explaining

 

[Ultima Thule]

Here is another picture of WS-10, on a J-11BS, for people who like to believe J-20 is using a variant of WS-10.

Does it look like what you saw on any pictures of J-20?

But @Asok bro it might be possible that J-20 is using specialized version of WS-10 or Al-31FN3 but not WS-15, couple of pages pages back @ChineseTiger1986 stated that WS-15 completed ground testing and start air testing on IL-76 engine test-bed, so how it can be possible that J-20 is using WS-15 currently?

 

[grey boy 2]

Some really nice HD pictures from the Air Show China (some may have been posted before, but not as HD as these ones)

 

[Maxpane]

Some really nice HD pictures from the Air Show China (some may have been posted before, but not as HD as these ones)

Wooooow beast :-*