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I thought it was 30?

So the 60 includes all of this year's production ... interesting. This would be more reasonable.
You are right, this years' plan is 30, which means there are 30 J20s at end of 2019. Sorry for the error.

So 2020 is the beginning of mass production of the J20, with the new engines.
 
What does the production rate of the J-20 have to do with the R&D of the future J-10?

the money to develop J-10D, F-16 or Rafale (Chinese version) is equivalent to 40-60 J-20s.

Another option is to use the money to build 60 J-20s to invest in the J-31 program, speeding up the project.
 
I thought it was 30?

So the 60 includes all of this year's production ... interesting. This would be more reasonable.

You are right, this years' plan is 30, which means there are 30 J20s at end of 2019. Sorry for the error.

So 2020 is the beginning of mass production of the J20, with the new engines.
We also can say accurately that there were less than 60 J-20s at the end of 2019, according to Pupu.

"60" is not from Pupu.
 
the money to develop J-10D, F-16 or Rafale (Chinese version) is equivalent to 40-60 J-20s.

Another option is to use the money to build 60 J-20s to invest in the J-31 program, speeding up the project.
Procurement and R&D expenses are separate under the Chinese military. Besides, why should China not scale up production of its foremost fighter aircraft? It would not make sense to divert money away when more J-20s are desperately needed to counter the influx of F-35s.
 
China unveils two-seater design for stealth plane based on J-20 fighter
  • Breakthrough variant intended as early-warning aircraft and command centre for jets and rocket launchers
  • Seating design similar to Russian Su-34 would be a world first among single-seater stealth warplanes
Posted: August 15, 2020

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China’s advanced J-20 jet fighter is the template for a two-seater stealth aircraft in development. Photo: Xinhua

China is developing a new generation two-seater stealth warplane, based on its most advanced fighter the J-20, intended as an early-warning aircraft that will serve as a command centre for other weapons such as fighter jets and rocket launchers.

Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (CADI), developer of the J-20, is working on the breakthrough variant which will be the first stealth fighter in the world to accommodate two pilots. It will also be more innovative, according to an online report published earlier this week.

The report, which appeared on War Industry Black Technology, a social media platform run by Shenzhen-based Quantum Defence Cloud Technology, included a design sketch of the twin-seater variant and said it would serve as a small, early-warning warplane.

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The design sketch for the twin-seater J-20 variant, with a similar cockpit configuration to the Russian Su-34. Photo: Handout

The design is similar to the Russian Su-34 twin-seater supersonic medium-range fighter bomber, with a side-by-side seating arrangement in the cockpit which the report said would help the two pilots better communicate and share information effectively.

“As the new generation aircraft with capabilities of stealth and supersonic cruise, the new platform also needs to command drones, other fighter jets, and even ground-based rocket launchers, as well as surface warships and submarines, making it a small early-warning aircraft,” it said.

A military insider said the new plane would be equipped with defensive air-to-air weapons, but would not be used as a bomber, contrary to mainland media reports.

“It is not a real bomber. To maintain stealth and agility, all missiles should be put inside the bays, that means only light air-to-air bombs are allowed,” said the insider, who requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue.

The heavy explosives required for air-to-ground and air-to-sea missiles could only be accommodated under the craft’s wings, drastically reducing its stealth capabilities.

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A Sukhoi Su-34 cockpit simulator. Photo: Handout

“All bombers carrying heavy bombs would be easily detected by the integrated air defence system (IADS),” the insider said. “That means two-seater stealth fighters could not cause any threat to American military bases or even aircraft carrier strike groups.”

Most training planes and bombers feature tandem seating, with the front seat pilot taking care of the flight while the co-pilot focuses from the back seat on the weaponry, so the design of the new variant is noteworthy.

Hong Kong-based military commentator Song Zhongping said the J-20 could be upgraded and modified to different variants because of its strong detection capability and capacity to connect multichannel intelligence and electronic warfare information.

“But it may take longer [to develop] if the new aircraft uses the double-seat design. The aerodynamic shape of the aircraft should make major changes,” Song said. “Then it would no longer be the original J-20 model, but another new type.”

The two-seater stealth fighter is just one of the variants developed by CADI based on the J-20 platform. According to the military insider, the institute’s top priority is to develop a carrier-based stealth fighter jet for China’s next generation aircraft carrier, the Type 002, currently in final assembly and featuring electromagnetic catapult launching systems.

CADI and its sister company, Shenyang Aircraft Design Institute – which developed the J-15, China’s only active carrier-based fighter jet – are racing to develop a next-generation fighter capable of competing with the American F35 ship-borne fighter.

Variants of the J-20 were flagged by its chief designer Yang Wei at the 2018 China Airshow in Zhuhai, Guangdong province, when he told a press conference that more variants of the J-20 would be developed to meet the new requirements of future warfare.

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: "Two-seater stealth fighter jet hailedas breakthrough".
 
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the money to develop J-10D, F-16 or Rafale (Chinese version) is equivalent to 40-60 J-20s.

Another option is to use the money to build 60 J-20s to invest in the J-31 program, speeding up the project.

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What is it with you quoting Minnie Chan and other low quality articles despite being told numerous times by numerous members not to do so? :hitwall::crazy:

@Grandy
The side by side seats configuration is not ideal for J-20 2-seater. It loses its dogfight capability with the limited rear view compared to bubble canopy.

Anyone wanted to comment this article that took info from scmp? The point on F-22 as cold war land based fighter for defending Europe and J-20 as long range fighter requiring to cover larger coast are quite correct.

https://eurasiantimes.com/f-22-rapt...ey-were-designed-to-fight-ussr-j-20-designer/
 
Old news, J-20 has entered mass production phase this year, the annual production rate is reach 50-60 this year, and still at acceralating speed, some of J-20's sub-system providers say that they received the largest ever order in history from CAC this year.
Wait so are you saying the production rate (right now) is 4-5 per month?
And old news? When was this revealed?
 
Wait so are you saying the production rate (right now) is 4-5 per month?
And old news? When was this revealed?
Most likely from the rumor mill ... nothing confirmed or revealed. Personally, I think a production rate of 60 per year given that the J-20 still has interim engines (WS-10) and this early on (only 4 years after LRIP) is pretty unrealistic. The more accurate statement is a production rate of around 30 aircraft per year, but even this is not confirmed.
 
given that the J-20 still has interim engines (WS-10)

there are no limitations imposed by the engine on the number of J-20 fighters that can be produced, China will not wait for WS-15 to be ready to ramp up the production rate of the J-20, a 5th gen fighter with WS-10 is better than a 4th gen fighter with WS-10.
 
there are no limitations imposed by the engine on the number of J-20 fighters that can be produced, China will not wait for WS-15 to be ready to ramp up the production rate of the J-20, a 5th gen fighter with WS-10 is better than a 4th gen fighter with WS-10.
What I mean is that China would rather hold off on producing too many J-20s with interim engines, given the vast capability upgrade warranted by the WS-15. I was not saying that the WS-10 production is limiting the J-20s numbers.
 
Most likely from the rumor mill ... nothing confirmed or revealed. Personally, I think a production rate of 60 per year given that the J-20 still has interim engines (WS-10) and this early on (only 4 years after LRIP) is pretty unrealistic. The more accurate statement is a production rate of around 30 aircraft per year, but even this is not confirmed.

Well, I think for J-20 production to reach 30 / year is already good. Long time ago, prior J-10B, Chinese production of J-10 were also 25 - 30 / year.
 
What I mean is that China would rather hold off on producing too many J-20s with interim engines, given the vast capability upgrade warranted by the WS-15. I was not saying that the WS-10 production is limiting the J-20s numbers.


What would China lose by mass producing J-20s with WS-10 engines?

US and Japan are building up a sizeable fleet of F-22/F-35s in the region and China needs as many J-20s as quickly as possible.

When the WS-15 engine is available they can replace with it and redirect those WS-10s into the 4th gen fleet.
 
What would China lose by mass producing J-20s with WS-10 engines?

US and Japan are building up a sizeable fleet of F-22/F-35s in the region and China needs as many J-20s as quickly as possible.

When the WS-15 engine is available they can replace with it and redirect those WS-10s into the 4th gen fleet.

Maybe they wanted to avoid risk of not able to fit WS15 with current J-20 with WS10 engine design. Just look at J-10A vs B & C model differences. Many parts that are not in common and J-10A can't be modified into J-10C. Imagine if China already built many J-20 with WS-10, when J-20 with WS-15 came out with different design, there's less budget left to build more J-20 with WS-15.
 
What I mean is that China would rather hold off on producing too many J-20s with interim engines, given the vast capability upgrade warranted by the WS-15. I was not saying that the WS-10 production is limiting the J-20s numbers.

Yeah I knew what you meant when I replyed that a 5th gen fighter with WS-10 is better than a 4th gen fighter with WS-10, thus China will not hold back on producing J-20 regardless of what kind of engine is available, instead they will always produce the maximum number of J-20s that their production lines can churn out.
 

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