Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Leishangthem]

I think you have the spoiler setting accidentally toggled on. But you are correct yes ... I don't think it is possible to determine the aircraft type based on the radar alone, which is exactly another reason why the Indians are BSing. You can probably only see what type of aircraft it is (e.g. fighter, tanker) from the radar return, but whether it is a J-10 or F-16 I doubt you can tell the difference.

That 's my point,there is no mechanism in su-30 to determine or track j-20 from far,at best it will see a cross section like figure. or a dot, can be any jet.
And there's also a lot of other variables to take into consideration,one of them is,what are the chances that a j-20 somehow flew 200k within the said su-30 mki?(bc that's the range of su-30 radar) near indian border? the chances are extremely unlikely.

 

[Figaro]

That 's my point,there is no mechanism in su-30 to determine or track j-20 from far,at best it will see a cross section like figure. or a dot.
And there's also a lot of other variables to take into consideration,one of them is,what are the chances that a j-20 somehow flew 200k within the said su-30 mki?(bc that's the range of su-30 radar) near indian border? the chances are extremely unlikely and unreasonable.

The Su-30MKI never saw the J-20 period. The Indians are completely BSing here, as they usually do. How would the J-20 even show up as a tiny dot on the Su-30s radar when it literally was never deployed to the region at all? The Indians should know that the Chinese also have the Su-35, which is much more advanced than the Su-30MKI in every regard; the PLAAF has definitely tested the Su-35 against the J-20, and almost certainly the J-20 beat it considering the Su-35 could not even out WVR and BVR a J-10C. In wartime, the Su-30MKI would have already been shot down by a PL-15 long before even a dot appeared on the radar from the J-20.

 

[j20611]

Didn’t these Indian morons mistaken Venus for a spy aircraft?

 

[Figaro]

Didn’t these Indian morons mistaken Venus for a spy aircraft?

They mistaked planets for Chinese UAVs.

 

[lcloo]

Today's article on www.81.cn

In the hands of a pilot with about 100 hours flight time on a "new modified fighter jet", he scored a zero to 17 air-to-air fights in his favour. This "new fighter jet" is obviously a J20 judged by the 0 to 17 score.

Also amazing is that the pilot has only about 100 flight hours on this jet, shows easy integration between pilot and aircraft.

I find the description "新型改装战机" (a new modified fighter jet) interesting, does it referred to a J20 with new engine?

“截获目标！”“发射！”烈日当空，一场空中对抗激战正酣。东部战区空军航空兵某旅“王海大队”年轻飞行员陈鑫浩，面对来自不同方向多批“敌机”的拦截，与战友灵活协同、勇敢出击，在兵力明显处于劣势的情况下，以“零损伤”的代价一举“击落敌机”17架。

“你很难想到，陈鑫浩驾驭这款新型改装战机飞行时间刚过100小时。这种情形，与抗美援朝战场上的空战情形何其相似。尽管跨越历史的天空，但咱们飞行员骨子里的胜战精神仍然充盈如初：闻战则喜、英勇顽强、敢打必胜、有我无敌！”“王海大队”大队长杨俊成说。

 

[Figaro]

Today's article on www.81.cn

In the hands of a pilot with about 100 hours flight time on a "new fighter jet", he scored a zero to 17 air-to-air fights in his favour. The is "new fighter jet" is obviously a J20 judged by the 0 to 17 score.

Also amazing is that the pilot has only about 100 flight hours on this jet, shows easy integration between pilot and aircraft.


“截获目标！”“发射！”烈日当空，一场空中对抗激战正酣。东部战区空军航空兵某旅“王海大队”年轻飞行员陈鑫浩，面对来自不同方向多批“敌机”的拦截，与战友灵活协同、勇敢出击，在兵力明显处于劣势的情况下，以“零损伤”的代价一举“击落敌机”17架。

“你很难想到，陈鑫浩驾驭这款新型改装战机飞行时间刚过100小时。这种情形，与抗美援朝战场上的空战情形何其相似。尽管跨越历史的天空，但咱们飞行员骨子里的胜战精神仍然充盈如初：闻战则喜、英勇顽强、敢打必胜、有我无敌！”“王海大队”大队长杨俊成说。



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Do we know what specific aircraft the J-20 scored the 17 kills against?

 

[lcloo]

Do we know what specific aircraft the J-20 scored the 17 kills against?

No details, most probably these are J10A/B/C, J11A/B and J16.

 

[Jazzbot]

Bollywood radar can determine exact aircraft type with 100% accuracy and can even create a live drawing of the aircraft flying. That is the power of incredible india.

This is out dated man, they have recently developed a new radar that can even draw the enemy jet pilot's undies from distance of 3000 km.

 

[Figaro]

No details, most probably these are J10A/B/C, J11A/B and J16.

17:0 is very good. Apparently, there was an analysis done by the PLAAF which said that only 24 J-20s were needed to counter 700 4th generation aircraft.

 

[UKBengali]

17:0 is very good. Apparently, there was an analysis done by the PLAAF which said that only 24 J-20s were needed to counter 700 4th generation aircraft.

Not too sure how this was worked out.

The 24 J-20s will have a little more than 100 missiles and they would rapidly run out of fuel when engaging in WVR with guns(does the J-20 even have a gun?) to try to shoot down so many hundreds of fighters.

 

[lcloo]

Not too sure how this was worked out.

The 24 J-20s will have a little more than 100 missiles and they would rapidly run out of fuel when engaging in WVR with guns(does the J-20 even have a gun) to try to shoot down so many hundreds of fighters.

It is not a scenario of 24 J20 against 400 4th gen jets in a single sortie for each aircraft. No country put up in the air 400 4th gen fighter jets all at the same hours.

It meant if the opposite side fielded up to 400 4th gen fighter jets, 24 J20 would be sufficient to counter them during the conflict. The air engagement could be over several tens or hundreds of sorties.

 

[UKBengali]

It is not a scenario of 24 J20 against 400 4th gen jets in a single sortie. No country put up in the air 400 4th gen fighter jets all at the same hours.

It meant if the opposite side fielded up to 400 4th gen fighter jets, 24 J20 would be sufficient to counter them during the conflict. The air engagement could be over several tens or hundreds of sorties.

No as the remaining 4th gen fighters from 1st engagement would be free to attack while the J-20s are being refuelled/rearmed.

To be able to "counter" them you need to be able to stop them overflying your territory and attacking targets.

 

[lcloo]

No as the remaining 4th gen fighters from 1st engagement would be free to attack while the J-20s are being refuelled/rearmed.

To be able to "counter" them you need to be able to stop them overflying your territory and attacking targets.

Again, no all 24 J20 will be air borne at the same time. and only the foolish 4th gen jet pilots will continue to fight if half of his squadron are shoot down even before his can detect the J20. And PLAAF commander is not stupid to put all his air assets in the air without reserve.

For every squadron of incoming hostile 4th gen jets, a couple of J20 in front will empty their missiles first, and another couple 20 to 30km away can cover for them, and a few others on standby at 50km ready to engage the remaining enemy jets if they continue, or to carry on CAP to counter second and third waves ventures from enemy jets.

Moreover, J20 has range endurance advantage which mean they can be turned around on airfields beyond effective range of enemy's ground attack. And they can extend their already long range with tanker support.

Modern day air to air engagement seldom last for few hours, and usually single digit shoot down are achieved. Example the Feb air engagement between Pakistan and India. And you cannot use the Gulf war or Balkan scenario for comparison because China's air defence capability is not the same as Iraq or Serbia.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Apparently there's an old report by lNDlAN major that they saw j-20 on the SU variant's radar.

Is that even possible? Indians lying from their teeth isn't new,but how do you determine J-20 just from radar? How did the Indian side knew the cross-section or the dot spotted on their radar is J-20? not any other jet? They never claim they saw j-20 ,because J-20 was probably never even there.
Considering that Indian side actually saw something.How could they determine it's j-20?
How's such a claim even posssible?

I asked them before, the news claimed the SU-30MKI detected J-20 from more than 60 miles away. I asked again, how to tell what aircraft being tracked when the targets appearing on MFD and HUD only display aircraft RCS (large for large aircraft and small for fighters), altitude, heading, speed. Do they have HUD recording, FLIR that could zoom that far to identify shape of the plane? The best FLIR US sniper pod believed to have almost 20 miles zoom and could see through cloud can't even do 60miles. They said don't question their claim credibility, it's true and final. Anything from IAF is mythical claim.

 

[serenity]

All those examples are really just to simply say Chinese 4th generation fighters cannot detect J-20 at any meaningful range. Even when the range is short enough to detect and trace, they cannot get lock on target. This is really what is meant by those statements. To let everyone know 5th generation truly is much superior to 4th.