please Mr figaro ignore him @Asok posted these images since last year with no prove either its WS-15 or WS-10X its viewing angles to Consider by the @Asok that is a TVC engine, and think that @Figaro how can install high risk new engine to its intended platform without air testing on test bed to reduce the risk you should tested on a test bed first then on the intended platform
Seems like you are not familiar with Chinese people. Do you feel moral superiority to paint the Chinese as ignorant and arrogant? Although I disagree with Asok's assessment of J-20, I find your perception of Chinese people grossly misguided and revealing. Your comment only reveals your own ignorance and arrogance on Chinese people. I would never judge an individual based their group and vice versa.and you have typical Chinese ignorance and arrogance to not understand others Mr @Asok
Where did he say that? @pakistanipower, you should keep down with the bolded and highlighted letters ... please. If anything, Asok's argument was demeaning non-Chinese ("foreigners" like me) on how they would never be able to understand Chinese military matters because of the so-called "language barrier"
I disagree with Asok's perspective that "foreigners" will never be able to understand Chinese military matters because of the "language barrier". On the other hand understanding the language will give you a time and depth advantage on understanding key technologies of Chinese weapons systems and the dreaded rumours. It is true that Chinese military research is mainly or entirely published in Chinese because many Chinese researchers themselves suffer from the "language barrier". They publish in the language that is most usable to them, Chinese is the easiest language for them to communicate complex ideas in and also the best language for their primary readers(Chinese military industrial complex) to understand. Same can be said of rumours, people who have personal access to rumours tend to be Chinese from China, who are generally not English speakers (not their fault). Over time some information will trickle down into English reports translated by people who understands both languages, but this takes time and not all information will be translated due to lack of translators and their time. English speaking experts get their understanding of Chinese weapons systems from reading Chinese reports too. Understanding Chinese does gives an advantage but its not absolute. Insisting that a "foreigner" can never understand is demeaning and dismisses human potential to adapt, a broad generalisation I do not condone.
He can't prove anything definitively, I think some where back Asok said it was based off rumours from a Chinese language forum. New information trickling down should be welcomed, I would feel bad if any members feel unconfident in sharing new information they have discovered, its a treasure for all of us to enjoy, even if they are just rumours. Many members have already dismissed the rumour but no need to shoot the messenger. If anyone thinks another's opinion/assessment is not in line with your own then just stay strong and be confident with yours. I understand the process of disproving another person can be frustrating especially if they feel its the right idea, sometimes its best to let the time pass until more information is present and read another thread. Lets stay civil and not have a civil war.
I don't understand these useless to and fro, valid or not is up to us to decide.
Thats my point sir let wait and see lets real confirmation will come out from the Chinese military
My personal opinion is it was not based on the previous documentary which had blurred images of machinery in the workshop producing the components. They deleted it because it was showing too much information on the production lines, anyway, this is the second confirmation of a domestic engine. I am not sure how else we can prove this point, CCTV is the official tv station of PRC. Even with new images, we can only deduce like always, now they are officially telling us it is CHINESE.
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BRO, my country is majority CHINESE and even we have a fucking hard time understanding the technical document from China. even something as simple as the type of atomic bonding which you learn in middle school, most translator even trained human translator will have difficulty translating it from chinese to english. scientific language is something few translator can manage and that is the fact. you have to be a trained engineer to understand what they are talking about, much less translate it.
LOL!, Good move, Deino.
