Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Ultima Thule]

So can we safely assume now that finally @Asok is right, at least partially, in his many persistent lengthy postings about the J-20 is using the domestic type engine?

If indeed 20 units of J-20 has been in service, instead of the meager number of 5 units, it shows the production goes on smoothly! So how many can we expect by the end of 2017?

Bro J-20 is using hybrid version of WS-10 with a core of WS-15 as @ChineseTiger1986 says, he also say last year that ground testing of WS-15 was done and starting air testing on IL-76 engine test-bed

so j-20 is now equipped with ws-15 or that russian engine? wasnt there ppl(inlcuding several notable western members in this thread) who insisted that j-20 is using the al-31fn? hahahaha

Bro J-20 is using hybrid version of WS-10 with a core of WS-15 as @ChineseTiger1986 says, he also says that last year that ground testing of WS-15 was done and starting air testing on IL-76 engine test-bed

 

[samsara]

In 2009, the PLA made this completely unsubstantiated claim:

In a November 8, 2009 Chinese television show, Deputy PLAAF Commander General He Weirong stated that the China’s 5th generation fighter would fly “soon” and would “equip troops” in “about eight to ten years,” or by 2017-2019.
http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.219/pub_detail.asp

The passage of time has now revealed the truth.

For a prediction made in 7-8 years in advance, its timeliness is quite remarkable.

It shows how methodical all the related works on this J-20 project are. And the Chinese authority seems not favoring bluffing mode about its capability, esp. when a high officer talks to the media, his words carry lots of weight. Talk down own self is more likely

 

[Deino]

so j-20 is now equipped with ws-15 or that russian engine? wasnt there ppl(inlcuding several notable western members in this thread) who insisted that j-20 is using the al-31fn? hahahaha

So can we safely assume now that finally @Asok is right, at least partially, in his many persistent lengthy postings about the J-20 is using the domestic type engine?

If indeed 20 units of J-20 has been in service, instead of the meager number of 5 units, it shows the production goes on smoothly! So how many can we expect by the end of 2017?

No; and if You want You can make even more fun of it. ... all these reports only say "a domestic engine" and IMO this could therefore also be an engine designed specificly for or contracted by China. A WS-15 given the latest reports from Big Shrimps and even more like Asoks dream-claims of +210 kN for reaching Mach 3 is plain impossible.

Anyway ... time will tell.

 

[samsara]

Typical Yankee news. Most Chinese feel PLA is not spending enough on military. US MILITARY spending us 600 billion. China doesn't cry like little bitch US .

TYPICAL "YANKEE-TYPED" MEDIA but not necessarily it must be owned and controlled by USA for the media belongs to UK/GER/FRA/AUS and so on also exhibit the same patterns [BBC, Telegraph, Guardian, Der Spiegel, DW, France24, Euronews, ABC, SMH, News Corp. etc]... they can hardly write anything positive about the non-ally countries -- even for something quite positive, for instance an aerospace project-- without putting in some "sour grapes", twists, spin-offs inside. This treatment does not only happen on China but also Russia, and it's even worse, practically any nation that is not within their orbit will undergo the bad treatments!

I have been observing for years these kind of "journalistic" patterns and be quite familiar with them lol ... no surprise, no wonder. They all learnt from the same controllers, the same references and textbooks, the same root!!

*In particular applied to the Corporate Media!

 

[Deino]

I haven't seen any weapons test yet and it's ready? .

The main issue is that entering "active service" doesn't mean it's entered IOC or anything; just look at the Y-20.

Entering service means it's accepted by PLAAF and is PLAAF property, being maintained and flown by PLAAF personnel. It has nothing to do with IOC, also the term "some sort of combat capabilities" is a very broad term.

The main issue is that what the PLAAF calls "in active service or in service" doesn't correspond to what in the West or the Western military forces understand under the same term. So we need to be careful about what the literal word of "in service" means across different military forces around the world, since the degree of "in service" can also differ depending on the program structure itself.

So in summary it's not wrong to say that the J-20 has entered service so long as we know this. IMO it has reached the stage of IOT&E and therefore the FTTC as its first operational base fits nicely.

 

[帅的一匹]

No; and if You want You can make even more fun of it. ... all these reports only say "a domestic engine" and IMO this could therefore also be an engine designed specificly for or contracted by China. A WS-15 given the latest reports from Big Shrimps and even more like Asoks dream-claims of +210 kN for reaching Mach 3 is plain impossible.

Anyway ... time will tell.

210KN is an over-hype, I think it will be 180+KN.

 

[Deino]

210KN is an over-hype, I think it will be 180+KN.

In the end for the final WS-15, YES ... but not already now.

 

[帅的一匹]

Maybe the WS15 engine progress is another example of great strategy cheat. I'm proud to be a Chinese.

 

[Beast]

No; and if You want You can make even more fun of it. ... all these reports only say "a domestic engine" and IMO this could therefore also be an engine designed specificly for or contracted by China. A WS-15 given the latest reports from Big Shrimps and even more like Asoks dream-claims of +210 kN for reaching Mach 3 is plain impossible.

Anyway ... time will tell.

How can a contracted engine be called domestic engine? Or you want to make the claim Chinese military like to bluffing or exaggerate? I think one poster just proves Chinese high ranking military leadership just proves his timeline for J- 20 to enter service year is not any exaggerate. Instead of blaming shabby journalist or try to twist your way out of it.

Just be a man and admit the engine onboard operation J-20 is 100% domestic and eats your humble pie that all the while your artificial observation of just looking at external and see the flame is nothing but disaster in predicting Chinese military development.

Knowing accurately how Chinese military future evolve is not just mere looking at regiment number and predict how aircraft and where they are deploy that simple.

 

[Beast]

The main issue is that entering "active service" doesn't mean it's entered IOC or anything; just look at the Y-20.

Entering service means it's accepted by PLAAF and is PLAAF property, being maintained and flown by PLAAF personnel. It has nothing to do with IOC, also the term "some sort of combat capabilities" is a very broad term.

The main issue is that what the PLAAF calls "in active service or in service" doesn't correspond to what in the West or the Western military forces understand under the same term. So we need to be careful about what the literal word of "in service" means across different military forces around the world, since the degree of "in service" can also differ depending on the program structure itself.

So in summary it's not wrong to say that the J-20 has entered service so long as we know this. IMO it has reached the stage of IOT&E and therefore the FTTC as its first operational base fits nicely.

Are you implying entering service version is very far from the combat operation version or simply trying to hint PLA has no standard and its acceptance varies alot unlike super professional western counterpart? Please back your statement if not, its simply your lack of contempt assessment of Chinese and PLA and just your very personal verdict.

Maybe the WS15 engine progress is another example of great strategy cheat. I'm proud to be a Chinese.

Sun Tzu always say 'All Warfare is based upon deception'

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...ighter-flies-fighting-forces-says-state-media

China’s J-20 stealth fighter joins the People’s Liberation Army air force

State media highlights nation’s most advanced stealth fighter coming into operation


PUBLISHED : Friday, 10 March, 2017, 11:48am
UPDATED : Saturday, 11 March, 2017, 12:38am

China’s latest stealth fighter, the J-20, is serving in the People’s Liberation Army air force, according to state media.

Military insiders said the appearance of J-20s in the air force was meant as a warning to Japan and South Korea, which are expected to buy US F-35 stealth fighters now that China has equally advanced warplanes.

Video footage aired by CCTV yesterday showed J-20 fighters alongside PLA Y-20 transport planes and H-6K bombers. The broadcast did not say how many J-20s were operational.

America’s F-35 fighter jet vs China’s J-20: which is better, cheaper, stealthier?

The report said the new aircraft had joined joint drills with troops, rocket forces and the navy.

A source close to the PLA said the J-20s were all equipped with home-made WS-15 engines(<==hahahahha), but because the engine had not entered mass production, only a few J-20s were available for service.

“There are still a series of technical problems that need to be tackled [on the J-20], including the reliability of its WS-15 engines, [and the plane’s] control system, stealth coat and hull materials and infrared sensor,” said the source, who requested anonymity.

But with the US deploying a batch of F-35s in Japan in January, and South Korea planning to have 40 F-35s in 2018, “it’s urgent for China to show off its achievements as soon as possible”, the source said, adding that more J-20s would join the PLA this year.

Chinese military websites showed pictures last December of J-20s with serial numbers indicating that at least three types of the stealth jets had joined the air force since last year.

The J-20 made a two-minute public debut at the opening of Airshow China in Zhuhai in Guangdong province on November 1, flying over the show each day after taking off from an airfield in nearby Foshan.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

i love these stubborn Western 'expert China military watchers'

 

[samsara]

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/arti...ighter-flies-fighting-forces-says-state-media

China’s J-20 stealth fighter joins the People’s Liberation Army air force

State media highlights nation’s most advanced stealth fighter coming into operation


PUBLISHED : Friday, 10 March, 2017, 11:48am
UPDATED : Saturday, 11 March, 2017, 12:38am

China’s latest stealth fighter, the J-20, is serving in the People’s Liberation Army air force, according to state media.

Military insiders said the appearance of J-20s in the air force was meant as a warning to Japan and South Korea, which are expected to buy US F-35 stealth fighters now that China has equally advanced warplanes.

Video footage aired by CCTV yesterday showed J-20 fighters alongside PLA Y-20 transport planes and H-6K bombers. The broadcast did not say how many J-20s were operational.

America’s F-35 fighter jet vs China’s J-20: which is better, cheaper, stealthier?

The report said the new aircraft had joined joint drills with troops, rocket forces and the navy.

A source close to the PLA said the J-20s were all equipped with home-made WS-15 engines(<==hahahahha), but because the engine had not entered mass production, only a few J-20s were available for service.

“There are still a series of technical problems that need to be tackled [on the J-20], including the reliability of its WS-15 engines, [and the plane’s] control system, stealth coat and hull materials and infrared sensor,” said the source, who requested anonymity.

But with the US deploying a batch of F-35s in Japan in January, and South Korea planning to have 40 F-35s in 2018, “it’s urgent for China to show off its achievements as soon as possible”, the source said, adding that more J-20s would join the PLA this year.

Chinese military websites showed pictures last December of J-20s with serial numbers indicating that at least three types of the stealth jets had joined the air force since last year.

The J-20 made a two-minute public debut at the opening of Airshow China in Zhuhai in Guangdong province on November 1, flying over the show each day after taking off from an airfield in nearby Foshan.

Reading over and over this SCMP article, eventually I can't help my self of the laughters LOL

"Military insiders said the appearance of J-20s in the air force was meant as a warning to Japan and South Korea, which are expected to buy US F-35 stealth fighters now that China has equally advanced warplanes."

"A source close to the PLA said the J-20s were all equipped with home-made WS-15 engines, but because the engine had not entered mass production, only a few J-20s were available for service."

“There are still a series of technical problems that need to be tackled [on the J-20], including the reliability of its WS-15 engines, [and the plane’s] control system, stealth coat and hull materials and infrared sensor,” said the source, who requested anonymity. ===> well, so many lingering problems; in that case it is not a serious asset, yet and pose no deterrence value!

Ha ha ha... above paragraphs are just contradictory each other lol

Those who read this article will hardly understand the underlying message... and if SCMP is a yellow publication then I may understand, but it is not.

So what's the real message? It's everyone's guess.

I let everyone to interpret it ha ha ha

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

The main issue is that entering "active service" doesn't mean it's entered IOC or anything; just look at the Y-20.

Entering service means it's accepted by PLAAF and is PLAAF property, being maintained and flown by PLAAF personnel. It has nothing to do with IOC, also the term "some sort of combat capabilities" is a very broad term.

The main issue is that what the PLAAF calls "in active service or in service" doesn't correspond to what in the West or the Western military forces understand under the same term. So we need to be careful about what the literal word of "in service" means across different military forces around the world, since the degree of "in service" can also differ depending on the program structure itself.

So in summary it's not wrong to say that the J-20 has entered service so long as we know this. IMO it has reached the stage of IOT&E and therefore the FTTC as its first operational base fits nicely.

Regardless if it enter service or not, I'm not over-excited about, it's better that the J-20 is done properly according th the design process and not 偷工减料 just to speed up the release.

 

[Deino]

Are you implying entering service version is very far from the combat operation version or simply trying to hint PLA has no standard and its acceptance varies alot unlike super professional western counterpart? Please back your statement if not, its simply your lack of contempt assessment of Chinese and PLA and just your very personal verdict.

Simply YES for the first question on if they are "very far from the combat operation version" since no aircraft anywhere on earth just enters service with all capabilities as projected; not the F-22, the F-35, the €F, Rafale, T-50, .... so simply logic dictates that !

And NO and YES for Your second question on if the "PLA has no standard and its acceptance varies alot unlike super professional western counterpart?": Yes, since they surely have a different standard but surely NOT NO; it is only different to the Western one. If the Western AF are that "super professional" is yet another question and I would not agree in this.

Deino