Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Zarvan]

CHINESE AIR-TO-AIR MISSILE HITS TARGETS, SPOOKS USAF GENERAL

PL-15 IS CHINA'S BEST AND BADDEST AERIAL WEAPON YET

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer Posted Yesterday at 10:52pm

Kills of the future lt.cdjby.net via errymath This 2014 CGI shows a J-31 stealth fighter launching a long range PL-15 missile. Given USAF concerns about the high performance PL-15, it could indeed feature high performance technologies like range and maneuverability enhancing ramjets, and a jam resistant AESA radar seeker.

Beyond visual range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAM) are long-range missiles used by fighters to knock out enemy fighters, bombers, tankers, drones and other aircraft from ranges beyond 30km. On September 15, 2015, China successfully test fired its latest iteration, the PL-15, firing from a fighter to destroy a target drone.

PL-15 Different Angles club.mil.news.sina.com.cn These set of photos from 2013 show the PL-15 during captive flight testing (carried by fighters like this J-11B). The PL-15 is shown to be about four meters long and 200mm in diameter, about the same size as the older PL-12 BVRAAM. The PL-15 uses improved propulsion, such as advanced rocket motors and possibly ramjet engines, to achieve a greater range.

The PL-15 is developed by the 607 Institute. It is the replacement for China's current BVRAAM, the radar guided, PL-12, which reportedly has a range of approximately 100km. Compared to the PL-12, the PL-15 has an improved active radar seeker and jam-resistant datalinks, along with a dual pulse rocket motor to extend its range.

The Flanker's New Missile Andreas Rupprecht The J-11B Flanker, a Chinese modification of the Russian Su-27 heavy fighter, is shown here with a PL-15 on a payload pylon under the left wing. While the J-11B's radar may not have the range to use the PL-15 to its maximum range, it can receive the location of distant enemy fighters from a KJ-2000 airborne early warning control (AEWC) aircraft, fire the PL-15 and let the PL-15's advanced radar guide the missile, with course corrections from the KJ-2000 AEWC, all without turning on the J-11B's radar (and giving away its position).

Even in the prototype stage, the PL-15 is already an international star. Speaking at the 2015 Air Force Association conference the same week as the test, USAF Air Combatant Commander General Hawk Carlisle cited the PL-15 as the reason for Congress to fund a new missile to replace the American AMRAAM. His reasons for concern is the PL-15's range. By incorporating a ramjet engine, its range could reach 150-200km, was well as its terminal maneuverability. That would out-range existing American air-to-air missiles, making the PL-15 not just a threat to fighters like the F-35, but also to US bombers and aerial tankers critical to American air operations across the vast Pacific. General Carlisle called "out-sticking" the PL-15 a high priority for the USAF.

PL-15 Future Home China Military Review Blogspot The early 2002 (now 2004) J-20 stealth fighter prototype flies a test, carrying simulated BVRAAM loadouts (two in its main left weapons bay). Production J-20s are expected to be able to carry three BVRAAMs in each main weapons bay, making for 6 long range missiles, like the PL-15.

As the PL-15 moves to deployment stage, it will equip Chinese stealth fighter jets, such as the J-20 and J-31, as well as the older J-10, J-11, J-15 and J-16 fighters. This makes keeping up with the PL-15 an important part of American efforts to out-do an innovative and improving Chinese military system.

Chinese Air-To-Air Missile Hits Targets, Spooks USAF General | Popular Science

Well if Pakistan goes for SU-35 and also JF-17 Block III we should go for this BVR.

 

[MilSpec]

The airframe of the PL15 looks awfully similar to the K77M airframe, doesn't it?

CHINESE AIR-TO-AIR MISSILE HITS TARGETS, SPOOKS USAF GENERAL

PL-15 IS CHINA'S BEST AND BADDEST AERIAL WEAPON YET

By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer Posted Yesterday at 10:52pm

Kills of the future lt.cdjby.net via errymath This 2014 CGI shows a J-31 stealth fighter launching a long range PL-15 missile. Given USAF concerns about the high performance PL-15, it could indeed feature high performance technologies like range and maneuverability enhancing ramjets, and a jam resistant AESA radar seeker.

Beyond visual range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAM) are long-range missiles used by fighters to knock out enemy fighters, bombers, tankers, drones and other aircraft from ranges beyond 30km. On September 15, 2015, China successfully test fired its latest iteration, the PL-15, firing from a fighter to destroy a target drone.

PL-15 Different Angles club.mil.news.sina.com.cn These set of photos from 2013 show the PL-15 during captive flight testing (carried by fighters like this J-11B). The PL-15 is shown to be about four meters long and 200mm in diameter, about the same size as the older PL-12 BVRAAM. The PL-15 uses improved propulsion, such as advanced rocket motors and possibly ramjet engines, to achieve a greater range.

The PL-15 is developed by the 607 Institute. It is the replacement for China's current BVRAAM, the radar guided, PL-12, which reportedly has a range of approximately 100km. Compared to the PL-12, the PL-15 has an improved active radar seeker and jam-resistant datalinks, along with a dual pulse rocket motor to extend its range.

The Flanker's New Missile Andreas Rupprecht The J-11B Flanker, a Chinese modification of the Russian Su-27 heavy fighter, is shown here with a PL-15 on a payload pylon under the left wing. While the J-11B's radar may not have the range to use the PL-15 to its maximum range, it can receive the location of distant enemy fighters from a KJ-2000 airborne early warning control (AEWC) aircraft, fire the PL-15 and let the PL-15's advanced radar guide the missile, with course corrections from the KJ-2000 AEWC, all without turning on the J-11B's radar (and giving away its position).

Even in the prototype stage, the PL-15 is already an international star. Speaking at the 2015 Air Force Association conference the same week as the test, USAF Air Combatant Commander General Hawk Carlisle cited the PL-15 as the reason for Congress to fund a new missile to replace the American AMRAAM. His reasons for concern is the PL-15's range. By incorporating a ramjet engine, its range could reach 150-200km, was well as its terminal maneuverability. That would out-range existing American air-to-air missiles, making the PL-15 not just a threat to fighters like the F-35, but also to US bombers and aerial tankers critical to American air operations across the vast Pacific. General Carlisle called "out-sticking" the PL-15 a high priority for the USAF.

PL-15 Future Home China Military Review Blogspot The early 2002 (now 2004) J-20 stealth fighter prototype flies a test, carrying simulated BVRAAM loadouts (two in its main left weapons bay). Production J-20s are expected to be able to carry three BVRAAMs in each main weapons bay, making for 6 long range missiles, like the PL-15.

As the PL-15 moves to deployment stage, it will equip Chinese stealth fighter jets, such as the J-20 and J-31, as well as the older J-10, J-11, J-15 and J-16 fighters. This makes keeping up with the PL-15 an important part of American efforts to out-do an innovative and improving Chinese military system.

Chinese Air-To-Air Missile Hits Targets, Spooks USAF General | Popular Science

 

[rcrmj]

The airframe of the PL15 looks awfully similar to the K77M airframe, doesn't it?

you really have a vision problem``

 

[cirr]

you really have a vision problem``

More likely the brains of some of our Indian friends have ceased to function。

Anyway the actual range of the PL-15 is longer than what the report suggests。

And the PL-21，an ultra long-range AAM missile，is only a couple of years from deployment。

 

[TaiShang]

More likely the brains of some of our Indian friends have ceased to function。

Anyway the actual range of the PL-15 is longer than what the report suggests。

And the PL-21，an ultra long-range AAM missile，is only a couple of years from deployment。

LOL. Well said.

 

[Akasa]

More likely the brains of some of our Indian friends have ceased to function。

Anyway the actual range of the PL-15 is longer than what the report suggests。

And the PL-21，an ultra long-range AAM missile，is only a couple of years from deployment。

It now seems that the PL-15 and the PL-21 are likely to be the same missile.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Because USAF have totally never faced an opponent with an Air-to-Air Missiles, or even played Cold War with an opponent with Air-to-Air Missiles. That makes complete sense.

 

[Imran Khan]

seems another long range for JF-17 in future

 

[Azeri440]

Because USAF have totally never faced an opponent with an Air-to-Air Missiles, or even played Cold War with an opponent with Air-to-Air Missiles. That makes complete sense.

these are just click bait titles , has very little relevance with reality

 

[Sanchez]

It now seems that the PL-15 and the PL-21 are likely to be the same missile.

PL-15 is believed to be in the class of US AMRAAM 12D or a bit longer distance. PL-21 may fly 400km...as called AWACS killer.

 

[cirr]

It now seems that the PL-15 and the PL-21 are likely to be the same missile.

Not to my knowledge。

 

[Deino]

It now seems that the PL-15 and the PL-21 are likely to be the same missile.

Just a note I also wanted to add: with a given range of 400km (or even more) the PL-15 can't be that PL-12-look-alike with the shorter wings/fins. As such I think that this former PL-15 seen under the J-11B and within the J-20's bay is in fact "only" a internal-carriage-version of the PL-12 (maybe the final development of the rumoured PL-12C with foldable tailfins).

And that the true PL-15 is most likely some sort of Sino-Meteor featuring a ramjet motor for long range attack similar to PL-21 or even PL-12D.

Deino

 

[kungfugymnast]

Make sure you translate correctly, 太行的寿命是1500小时
and 300小时 是定期维护
I realized you ignore the number 300

And about 10 years, it's about service life of American engine,

@kungfugymnast : could you help to translate correctly above Chinese text? thanks

Ok, i'll translate to simple English with English grammar. It said the internet stated wrong info that Taihang engine lifespan is just 300hours. Lao Dong explained that Tai Hang engine lifespan is actually 1500 hours. The regular maintenance service is at every 300 hours interval.

If you're referring to major service, it is usually done moments before reaching 1500 hours. I only know mig29 engines worn out beyond repair when reaching 10 years old. F/A-18c/d engines are very reliable as long as you regularly service at given intervals.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Here's another theory of mine.

China has a tendency to test new engines on the starboard side of a test aircraft. For example, here is a J-11(A?) testbed for the WS-10. Notice how the WS-10 is on the starboard side.

Several years back, a unique set of pictures showed up of a J-20 with a very strange looking starboard engine.

This phenomenon showed up again with J-20 2011. Notice the starboard engine.

At the time, I dismissed it as a new type of RAM coating on the starboard nozzle. But think about it, why put a new RAM coating on a single nozzle? Why is this new RAM coating so rarely seen? Now with the arrival of J-20 2016 with what appears to be new engines things are more clear. I believe it is possible that they were already testing these new engines several years ago.

In my opinion, the 2016 engines are unique. It's not just the color but the texture as well. It has a very smooth texture just like the strange silver nozzles that showed up several years ago.

 

[Blue Marlin]

PL-15 IS CHINA'S BEST AND BADDEST AERIAL WEAPON YET

This 2014 CGI shows a J-31 stealth fighter launching a long range PL-15 missile. Given USAF concerns about the high performance PL-15, it could indeed feature high performance technologies like range and maneuverability enhancing ramjets, and a jam resistant AESA radar seeker.

Beyond visual range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAM) are long-range missiles used by fighters to knock out enemy fighters, bombers, tankers, drones and other aircraft from ranges beyond 30km. On September 15, 2015, China successfully test fired its latest iteration, the PL-15, firing from a fighter to destroy a target drone.

PL-15 Different Angles

These set of photos from 2013 show the PL-15 during captive flight testing (carried by fighters like this J-11B). The PL-15 is shown to be about four meters long and 200mm in diameter, about the same size as the older PL-12 BVRAAM. The PL-15 uses improved propulsion, such as advanced rocket motors and possibly ramjet engines, to achieve a greater range.

The PL-15 is developed by the 607 Institute. It is the replacement for China's current BVRAAM, the radar guided, PL-12, which reportedly has a range of approximately 100km. Compared to the PL-12, the PL-15 has an improved active radar seeker and jam-resistant datalinks, along with a dual pulse rocket motor to extend its range.

The Flanker's New Missile

Andreas Rupprecht

The J-11B Flanker, a Chinese modification of the Russian Su-27 heavy fighter, is shown here with a PL-15 on a payload pylon under the left wing. While the J-11B's radar may not have the range to use the PL-15 to its maximum range, it can receive the location of distant enemy fighters from a KJ-2000 airborne early warning control (AEWC) aircraft, fire the PL-15 and let the PL-15's advanced radar guide the missile, with course corrections from the KJ-2000 AEWC, all without turning on the J-11B's radar (and giving away its position).

Even in the prototype stage, the PL-15 is already an international star. Speaking at the 2015 Air Force Association conference the same week as the test, USAF Air Combatant Commander General Hawk Carlisle cited the PL-15 as the reason for Congress to fund a new missile to replace the American AMRAAM. His reasons for concern is the PL-15's range. By incorporating a ramjet engine, its range could reach 150-200km, was well as its terminal maneuverability. That would out-range existing American air-to-air missiles, making the PL-15 not just a threat to fighters like the F-35, but also to US bombers and aerial tankers critical to American air operations across the vast Pacific. General Carlisle called "out-sticking" the PL-15 a high priority for the USAF.

PL-15 Future Home

China Military Review Blogspot

The early 2002 (now 2004) J-20 stealth fighter prototype flies a test, carrying simulated BVRAAM loadouts (two in its main left weapons bay). Production J-20s are expected to be able to carry three BVRAAMs in each main weapons bay, making for 6 long range missiles, like the PL-15.

As the PL-15 moves to deployment stage, it will equip Chinese stealth fighter jets, such as the J-20 and J-31, as well as the older J-10, J-11, J-15 and J-16 fighters. This makes keeping up with the PL-15 an important part of American efforts to out-do an innovative and improving Chinese military system.