Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Beast]

Can tell me why China still pursue for Su-35 ? ( for Russian new design of Saturn engine ? )

IN below quote the General Director of United Aircraft Corp. Russia, seem to ignore that China is developing their "own advanced fighters" or J20, J31 are still nothing to Russia ?

Fake news. China never interested in Su-35. The Russian purposely drag Chinese interest in to try pulling off other sale.

 

[BoQ77]

Fake news. China never interested in Su-35. The Russian purposely drag Chinese interest in to try pulling off other sale.

So Russia lied to the world for their old fighters ?
What if at last China purchases Su 35 this year ?

 

[Beast]

So Russia lied to the world for their old fighters ?
What if at last China purchases Su 35 this year ?

When your "if" happen , then you come back and ask us again.

Su-35 purchase will never happen. The sales have been talking since 2011 and everytime the same old reply from Russia is "soon"

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

When your "if" happen , then you come back and ask us again.

Su-35 purchase will never happen. The sales have been talking since 2011 and everytime the same old reply from Russia is "soon"

The rumor actually started since 2006.

Russia's Sukhoi markets new multi-role fighter at Chinese air show

 

[cirr]

J-20 2011

If（a big if）China ever buys Su-35，it would be for political and economic reasons，plus the need to speed-up the process of replacing aging J-7s and J-8s。It is a way of balancing Sino-Russian trade that's heavily tilted in the former's favour。China has money to spend and Russia needs the money。

Now roll out 2012，2013，2014。。。。

 

[BoQ77]

I guess China would sell J20 to Russia soon.

 

[cirr]

 

[cnleio]

Can tell me why China still pursue for Su-35 ? ( for Russian new design of Saturn engine ? )

IN below quote the General Director of United Aircraft Corp. Russia, seem to ignore that China is developing their "own advanced fighters" or J20, J31 are still nothing to Russia ?

I think Russian media had reported China purchased for Su-35 at least for 3years ... but u know Su-35 still in Sukhoi.

If we consider the cost of next-gen fighter develop, one J-20 stealth fighter price not cheaper than Su-27/30/35, even American equipped 180x F-22 and also maintain large F-16/15/18 fighter numbers. The next-gen stealth fighter can not replace all 3-gen fighter, speciall they designed for air combat. Anti-ship & Ground-attack mission still depend on other multi-role fighters.


Su-35 is a good fighter made by Russian, if they really wanna sell it to China. I think it's a good idea for PLAAF to purchase some, 1billion $ of Su-35 deal is not a problem for today China military expenditure, it will be a good chance for Chinese to study Russian advanced fighter design.

In one word, whether selling Su-35 is not important for PLAAF now. Next 10 years it's stealth fighter's world. For those countries who have whole aviation industry and indigenously design stealth fighter, the Su-35 is not necessary.

Stealth fighter & Stealth UAV will rule the sky. In the future fewer and fewer countries can produce advanced stealth fighter ...

 

[Genesis]

That's a pretty clear picture, has anyone made out what that engine is?

 

[Akasa]

That's a pretty clear picture, has anyone made out what that engine is?

Likely another stock Al-31F; the WS-15 prototype won't be ready until 2014.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Likely another stock Al-31F; the WS-15 prototype won't be ready until 2014.

The nozzle looks significantly shorter and broader, it could be the WS-10G.

J-20 previously used the modified AL-31F.

Since China has many AL-31F engine in the inventory since the 1990s, and China can fully replicate it and improve it.

 

[Beast]

The nozzle looks significantly shorter and broader, it could be the WS-10G.

J-20 previously used the modified AL-31F.

Since China has many AL-31F engine in the inventory since the 1990s, and China can fully replicate it and improve it.

Yes, very likely domestic engine becos AL-31 engine not offer high thrust of power required for J-20. Even an interim engine needs more power to achieve the criteria. 2014 will be the year where Chinese engine achieved the break thru.

 

[Superboy]

Can tell me why China still pursue for Su-35 ? ( for Russian new design of Saturn engine ? )

IN below quote the General Director of United Aircraft Corp. Russia, seem to ignore that China is developing their "own advanced fighters" or J20, J31 are still nothing to Russia ?

China does not need or want Su-35. WS-10 is not developed from AL-31, it's developed from F-16's engine imported in the 1980s. J-20 replaces all Flankers in PLAAF. Su-35 is a dated design. Is it me, or is the pitot tube in 2011 prototype gone?

 

[Cyberian]

Out of curiosity, does China sell any military hardware to Russia?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Out of curiosity, does China sell any military hardware to Russia?

Sell the machine Tools more likely.