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China's J-20 can't cut it as a fifth-generation fighter: Kanwa


  • Staff Reporter
  • 2014-02-06
  • 16:46 (GMT+8)
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The Chengdu J-20 stealth fighter. (Internet photo)

Three years after the first test flight of the Chengdu J-20, China's first stealth fighter, the Canada-based Kanwa Defense Review operated by military analyst Andrei Chang, also known as Pinkov, says aircraft designers around the world are still questioning whether the fighter is qualified to be called a fifth-generation fighter or not.

Aircraft designers from Russia, Poland and the United States rarely give negative comments on the design of other aircraft, according to the magazine; however, they have offered a very negative verdict on the J-20. The chief designer from Russia's Mikoyan military aircraft design bureau said the concept of Shenyang Aircraft Corporation's J-31 is much easier for him to grasp compared to the j-20 designed by Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group.

For the chief designer of Russia's Sukhoi company, the J-20 cannot be considered a fifth-generation fighter as it does not have supersonic cruise capability; a criterion which would also exclude Lockheed Martin's F-35. He also questioned the reliability of the J-20's stealth capability.

An aviation expert from Poland said the design of the J-20 is extremely odd because its front wing will increase the chance of detection by enemy radar and early warning aircraft. In the view of a designer from Lockheed Martin, the J-20 is way too big for a stealth fighter. The J-20 has a very similar size to the US F-111 tactical fighter, said the American designer, adding that China does not have engines with sufficient thrust to power the fighter.

Kanwa said, however, that it is not fair to judge the J-20 by the same standards as aircraft developed in the United States and Russia, as it is the first stealth fighter fully designed by Chinese aviation experts. China has already invested too many resources in the development of the J-20 at this point, according to the magazine, and it is too late to cancel the project now. The magazine added that China can resolve the engine problem by introducing the AL31FM1 from Russia, which should provide it with sufficient thrust.


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It was never a true fifth gen fighter,just another one in a long list of bluff weapons by PRC albeit a much celebrated one by sino fanboys.The chinese dont have many of the basic and critical components of a fifth gen fighter.Engines,avionics,actual aerodynamic and stealth performance of the aircraft are all suspect in all fifth gen chinese projects and this is even more pronounced and betrayed by the J-20.
 
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BS the J-20 Design is an Mikojan-Gurewitsch MiG 1.44 !

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Only it is Stealth !!!

MiG denies stealth technology transfer to China for J-20 fighter | Defense | RIA Novosti

Russia has never transferred any stealth technology to China to assist it with its J-20 Black Eagle fifth-generation stealth fighter prototype, Russian plane maker MiG said on Friday.

"We are not delivering any equipment to China, and never have," MiG spokeswoman Yelena Fyodorova said.
 
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@Beast that they have said because the USA is angry about the J-20 !

Russia is not turkey. They do not bound to USA pressure. Did Russian gives in to US in syria war?
Why would Russia say that just to please US? Mikoyan says that becos its the truth. J-20 is made by Chinese effort.

Kanwa in 2011: J-20 is a fake mockup that can't fly.

Kanwa in 2012: CV Liaoning has no arresting gear.

LMAO, is this a credible source?

Kanwa is so stupid to pick up the news about CV-16 liaoning has no arrestor hook only to be given a slap in face when CV-16 successfully recover J-15. Who is going to trust such moron report? :lol:
 
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Russia is not turkey. They do not bound to USA pressure. Did Russian gives in to US in syria war?
Why would Russia say that just to please US? Mikoyan says that becos its the truth. J-20 is made by Chinese effort.



Kanwa is so stupid to pick up the news about CV-16 liaoning has no arrestor hook only to be given a slap in face when CV-16 successfully recover J-15. Who is going to trust such moron report? :lol:

Kanwa is as credible as Gordon Chang when it comes to report China's military capability.
 
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For the chief designer of Russia's Sukhoi company, the J-20 cannot be considered a fifth-generation fighter as it does not have supersonic cruise capability; a criterion which would also exclude Lockheed Martin's F-35. He also questioned the reliability of the J-20's stealth capability.

That's rich coming from a company that makes a 'stealth' aircraft with a lower fuselage that looks like this.

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No flat lower fuselage.

Inlet/engine contraption hanging out.

Engines completely unpainted and untreated with RAM.

Edge alignment problems all over the place -- with the most obvious problem being the two large vent/grille things underneath the inlets.

Meanwhile, the J-20 has already made the transition from tech demonstrator to the pre-production (LRIP) stage.

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On the other hand, the PAKFA's production line does not exist. Practically everything on the aircraft (as it is now) is handmade.

Various Obstacles Confront Russia’s T-50 Project | Aviation International News

Russia’s NIIP radar design bureau, the traditional supplier for Sukhoi-design aircraft, has developed prototype models of the N050 active electronically scanning array (AESA) radar set. “The results of the flight-test of the radar installed in one of the four T-50 flight-test aircraft are very impressive,” according to a Russian aerospace analyst familiar with the program. However, the N050 is a hand-assembled product and “currently the industrial base capacity to series produce the N050 does not exist,” said the same analyst. Furthermore, “the PPMs [transmit/receive modules] are produced at the Istok military electronics enterprise on a limited scale, which has made the radar’s cost prohibitive.”

In the same vein, the T-50’s composite panels are also handmade using the same basic technology as the well known Sukhoi range of all-composite aerobatic sports aircraft.

The fifth-generation engine that is to power later versions of the T-50 is still mostly on paper, say Russian industry experts. The flight-test aircraft are powered by the same Saturn 117S engine that is installed in the Su-35, and this will also be the engine for the initial production batches of the T-50.
 
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Kanwa in 2011: J-20 is a fake mockup that can't fly.

Kanwa in 2012: CV Liaoning has no arresting gear.

LMAO, is this a credible source?

No western source is credible, I watched this interview by BBC, this old bald dude keep trying to get the woman he interviewed to say that Chinese are low quality people and thus some of us behave badly on travels, and the interviewee was clearly uncomfortable and didn't agree.

Western media agenda is way worse than Chinese propaganda. If you search China in goole, 90% of the article are China will collapse, and only like 50% of that is Gordon Chang.
 
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@Beast so can USA too give his Tech everyone who they want like an Enemy of Russia ? Thats the Point !

Syria is different then this !
 
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