Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[seven7seven]

Who knows how J-20 is going to turn out but Chinese are not like the US and pour more money into a money pit, like the F-35, when it consistently falls short of performance expectation. It's no surprise representatives of Lockheed Martin and Sukhoi talking bad of the J-20, where China's engineers are showing efficient and steady progress of the J-20 and in doing so putting the developers of the F-35 and PAKFA to shame. Trashing the J-20 is trying to justify their own lax and substandard progress of their 5th Gen Fighters and convincing their financial backers to allocate more funds. This kind of backbiting is very common from US and Russian developers and expect more of the same as China's military industrial complex continues to grow.

 

[Superboy]

Good. Now they can relax and delay F-35 to 2020. J-20 is on track to its 2017 IOC. I wouldn't underestimate Chinese technology. China has a rover on the moon. America does not. JF-17 is the world's first fighter jet equipped with state of the art DSI air intakes, having achieved IOC in 2010 when F-35 was supposed to but did not.

 

[Sasquatch]

A Kanwa article ? They're losing more credibility especially since being refuted on the Y-20.

Article does have some valid points such as the lack of TVC and Supercruise. Both of these features will come when WS-15 is ready 2016-2017, some variants of the WS-10 are testing both features. Officially I'd say we have to wait until 2017 to make the judgement if the J-20 is considered a 5th Generation Aircraft, because as of now it's still in testing phase all that can be made are assumptions and speculation.

 

[Superboy]

Supercruise comes naturally when thrust to weight ratio is high enough. Rafale and Eurofighter could already do it. Gripen NG should be able to do it. J-20 should be able to do it powered by WS-15 engines.

 

[siegecrossbow]

A Kanwa article ? They're losing more credibility especially since being refuted on the Y-20.

Article does have some valid points such as the lack of TVC and Supercruise. Both of these features will come when WS-15 is ready 2016-2017, some variants of the WS-10 are testing both features. Officially I'd say we have to wait until 2017 to make the judgement if the J-20 is considered a 5th Generation Aircraft, because as of now it's still in testing phase all that can be made are assumptions and speculation.

Really, I was never aware of the fact that Kanwa had any credibility to start with.

 

[Genesis]

Really, I was never aware of the fact that Kanwa had any credibility to start with.

oh they are very credible, the same people who thinks Gordon Chang is credible also thinks Kanwa is credible, weird coincidence.

 

[Akasa]

Really, I was never aware of the fact that Kanwa had any credibility to start with.

This is simply a response written by the author after losing a bet that China won't have a 5th generation fighter by 2020.

 

[cirr]

J-20 2011

 

[Kompromat]

I don't get it, why did they jump from 2003-2011?

 

[lcloo]

2001, 2002 and 2003 belonged to batch "zero". 2001 can be interprected as 20 for J-20, next 0 is for batch 0, last digit 1,2,3 etc indicate aircraft number 1, 2, 3 etc.

2011 onwards is for batch 1, with signifiant changes made from batch 0. 2011 is J-20, batch 1, aircraft number 1.

 

[siegecrossbow]

oh they are very credible, the same people who thinks Gordon Chang is credible also thinks Kanwa is credible, weird coincidence.

There is a joke on CJDBY that claims Kanwa is sponsored by a Chinese spy organization to downplay Chinese military capabilities. There are times when that claim makes perfect sense. While Pinkov might be knowledgeable when it comes to Russian equipment, his articles on Chinese equipment are tainted by a virulent (almost cartoonish) hatred of anything Chinese. This is not the attitude you should see in a journalist.

2001, 2002 and 2003 belonged to batch "zero". 2001 can be interprected as 20 for J-20, next 0 is for batch 0, last digit 1,2,3 etc indicate aircraft number 1, 2, 3 etc.

2011 onwards is for batch 1, with signifiant changes made from batch 0. 2011 is J-20, batch 1, aircraft number 1.

There is also speculation that 2011 might be the first production model aircraft, if rumours of J-20 entering service between 2016-2017 is to be believed.

 

[cnleio]

YF-22 prototype ===> F-22 production version, N.o200x J-20 prototype ===> N.o201x J-20 production verison.

N.o201x means close to J-20 fighter production. The aircraft structure of J-20 won't be changed, final version before mass production.

 

[That Guy]

J-20 2011

Where's the EO-sensor? I don't see it. It could be just another prototype.

[Edit] nevermind, I see it now.

 

[cirr]

J-20 2012

according to a certain eyewitness。

 

[BoQ77]

Can tell me why China still pursue for Su-35 ? ( for Russian new design of Saturn engine ? )

IN below quote the General Director of United Aircraft Corp. Russia, seem to ignore that China is developing their "own advanced fighters" or J20, J31 are still nothing to Russia ?

Major figures within the People's Liberation Army Air Force have differing opinions about whether purchasing Su-35s from Russia really serves the interests of the Chinese military aviation industry, according to the Taipei-based Central News Agency (CNA) in an interview with Andrei Chang, a Canadian military analyst.

During a press conference held at the Singapore Air Show of 2014, Mikhail Pogosyan, the general director of United Aircraft Corporation, said that Russia is unlikely to support China copying its advanced fighters again as it did in the 1990s. Copying other nation's fighter will not bring any major improvement to the Chinese aviation industry, especially since the Su-35 is not a new fighter. China should design its own advanced fighter, Pogosyan said.

The Su-35 does not guarantee air superiority for the PLA Air Force in the next 10 years, a professor from the PLA Air Force Command College said in a commentary for the Party-run PLA Daily. A similar view is being shared by many important figures in the Chinese military, said Pinkov. The current consensus reached between Beijing and Moscow will provide 24 Su-35s along with Saturn AL-41s — also known as 117S engines — to China.

Still, both sides have not reached any agreement yet regarding the transfer of Su-35's technology to China. Even though Russia is trying to terminate its cooperation with China in designing new fighter, Pogosyan said that it will be more suitable for both nations to help each other in building wide-body commercial aircraft.