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Whats the difference between AESA and PESA Radar ? Can you tell in points it'll be easier to understand.

Wet Shirt , Gambit ?

Both use electronic steering based on phase shifting (each part of the array electronically shifts the signal by a certain amount, so that all the signals cancel each other except at a certain angle where they interfere constructively). Compared to mechanical parabolic mirror radars, this gives you a better beamforming ability (the beam can be formed into a single cone without much leakage to sidelobes) which gives you resistance against a lot of jamming techniques. Additionally, it can steer much faster, because the phase shifting is done eletronicaly rather than mechanically.

In a PESA radar, the beam is formed in a RF generator at a single frequency and then sent to the phase-shifting modules. In an AESA radar, each part of the array generates its own signal. Thus, you can dedicate some parts of the array to a certain frequency and angle while dedicating other parts to another frequency and angle. This allows you to use multiple frequencies at once against a single target (something you can't do with PESA since the amount of phase shifting at each array element depends on the frequency). Additionally for example, you can have some array elements work against one target and others work against another target, while yet others work on jamming.

Of course some PESA radars are quite close to AESA radars in capability, such as the Bars radar in the Su-30MKI or the Irbis-E on the Su-35, as each part of the array has an amplifier to amplify the received signal, and careful usage of computing power for signal processing can further reproduce some of the qualities of an AESA.
 
Informative Post Thankx......So Canards Are Good or Not Good For Agility ? What in In case of J20 ?
Is J20 a Bomber ??

Depends On Few Factors..in the case of J20. canards placement increases lateral unstability and reduces drag.

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Bill Sweetman explains why the PAK FA's frontal RCS is complete crap. :lol:

The compressor face of a jet engine is one of the least stealthy parts of an airplane. Not only will the whirling blades, at some point, reflect radar energy directly back at whoever is looking for you, but the shape and rotational rate will identify you, because computers can count very, very fast.

Step 1 in dealing with this problem is to coat the inlet duct with radar absorbent material, because a lot of radar energy bounces off the duct wall several times on the way in and out again. High-level stealth, though, means physically blocking the line of sight with a "serpentine" duct (which is done on the F-22, JSF and Typhoon). But that can take up a lot of space, particularly with big engines, and isn't practical for a stealth retrofit or on some new designs.

The Super Hornet, for example, has short inlet ducts so line-of-sight blockage by curvature isn't practical. The solution was to install a blocker in the inlet duct - looking down the duct, you see what looks like a compressor face, but isn't. It's a fixed composite structure, RAM-coated. And of course any stray electrons that do make it through the blocker and hit the compressor have to make it out through the blocker again. Problem: what bends electron flux also bends airflow, so you can get losses.

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apparently Its RCS turned out to be lesser than F-22... ask "Bill Sweetman"... he'll tell you why ?

The guy is a nobody, just some magazine editor that the j-20 mighty drag-queen fanboys have erections over.


I guess if some magazine editor says the pak-fa is not stealthy than someone that works for an aerospace consulting firm must be even more credible.

Richard Aboulafia explains why the J-20's RCS is crap :lol:

In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Richard Aboulafia, an aviation analyst with the Teal Group, an aerospace and defense consulting firm, said China is still years away from perfecting stealth aircraft.

“It’s certainly stealthy-looking,” Mr. Aboulafia said. It looks like it’s got some of the faceting and some of the shaping that characterizes the front of the F-22, for example.

“But then you look the details and you realize this thing is just sort of cobbled together,” he added.

Take, for instance, the canards: forewings close to the nose of the aircraft that provide maneuverability. According to Mr. Aboulafia, “There’s no better way of guaranteeing a radar reflection and compromise of stealth” than adding canards to the aircraft.

The same goes for the engine nozzles, which Mr. Aboulafia said were clearly not designed to be stealthy, as well the large overall size of the aircraft.
 
“It’s certainly stealthy-looking,” Mr. Aboulafia said. It looks like it’s got some of the faceting and some of the shaping that characterizes the front of the F-22, for example.

This part is a compliment. He just said it looks like the F-22.

Take, for instance, the canards: forewings close to the nose of the aircraft that provide maneuverability. According to Mr. Aboulafia, “There’s no better way of guaranteeing a radar reflection and compromise of stealth” than adding canards to the aircraft.

This part is true. The J-20 does have canards.

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The same goes for the engine nozzles, which Mr. Aboulafia said were clearly not designed to be stealthy

This part is also true. The J-20 has round nozzles.

But has he seen the nozzles on the PAK FA? :lol:
 
This part is a compliment. He just said it looks like the F-22.


A Pontiac Fiero looks like a Ferrari, but the Fiero's performance is poor.



This part is true. The J-20 does have canards.

Yes, it does and he also claimed it compromises 'stealth'.




This part is also true. The J-20 has round nozzles.



But has he seen the nozzles on the PAK FA? :lol:


The nozzles on the pak-fa have nothing to do with the conversation. You keep posting some nonsense by Sweetman describing how the pak-fa is poor for 'stealth'. Now I post a similar article describing how the J-20 is poor for 'stealth' written or described by someone with better credentials than Sweetman does that make it true?

Tasting your own medicine is always bitter.
 
Chinese Logic:
J20 is stealth coz
1. Its looking stealth
2. Its more like F22
3. It has DSI
4. Its Engine is not exposed
5. Its painted in Black (may be RAM coating)

Brother, F22 is not only way to achieve stealth. Both China and Russia are making there first 5th gen fighter, so until the final product comes up claiming stealth and non-stealth is foolish. I am shocked to hear some fan-boy comment "PAK-FA doesn't look stealth". Son are you qualified enough to validate the stealth feature based on visual inspection????

Russians are pioneer in making fighter planes, They have long experience. They have 2 early 5th gen projects (MiG1.44 and Berkut). They have learnt many thing from the two early projects.

Some experts believe that J20 inherit the MiG1.44 (tail section).

But no matter who copy whom, finally result counts..
 
A Pontiac Fiero looks like a Ferrari, but the Fiero's performance is poor.

That's a horrible analogy and you know it. If cars actually had a stealth requirement, shaping would matter a great deal.

Yes, it does and he also claimed it compromises 'stealth'.

I agreed with the entire quote from Richard Aboulafia. From a stealth perspective, and from a stealth perspective only, canards are inferior to stabilators.

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You keep posting some nonsense by Sweetman describing how the pak-fa is poor for 'stealth'.

Bill Sweetman's analysis of the PAK FA isn't nonsense at all. He's just saying things you don't want to hear.

Now I post a similar article describing how the J-20 is poor for 'stealth' written or described by someone with better credentials than Sweetman does that make it true?

Tasting your own medicine is always bitter.

How is it bitter? I agreed twice with Richard Aboulafia.
 
[B]My annual review of T-50/Pak-Fa progress or lack thereof[/B]

Two years have passed since the January 2010 unveiling of the T-50/Pak-Fa. Let's look at the stealth design issues that remain.

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By the way, none of the Russian T-50/Pak-Fa problems exists on the Chinese J-20 Mighty Dragon stealth fighter.
well martian i dont know why the hell u always add pakfa into this thread & can also see many problems in that jet which no one cant see.
& on top of it u cant see any flaws in J20 which a blind man can also see :rofl:
u r simply great :girl_wacko:
BTW when is ur next annual review on PAKFA coming :lol:
 
It is not easy for Russia to produce stealth aircraft. A stealth shaping and acceptable aerodynamic performance combination is much better achieved with high performance mainframe computer which Russia doesn't have. With that said, I guess we will see the true RCS when the Indian T-50 flies by Chinese border...

不要争了。毛子和三哥是一个愿打,一个愿挨。三哥除了毛子的T-50还有选择吗?自己连一个和歼7差不多的LCA都做不出来。
 
It is not easy for Russia to produce stealth aircraft. A stealth shaping and acceptable aerodynamic performance combination is much better achieved with high performance mainframe computer which Russia doesn't have. With that said, I guess we will see the true RCS when the Indian T-50 flies by Chinese border...

不要争了。毛子和三哥是一个愿打,一个愿挨。三哥除了毛子的T-50还有选择吗?自己连一个和歼7差不多的LCA都做不出来。

China has two supercomputers in the top 5, including one that is faster than anything in the US.

Russia has zero in the top 10.

As for India, are they even on the list? :lol:

November 2011 | TOP500 Supercomputing Sites
 
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不要争了。毛子和三哥是一个愿打,一个愿挨。三哥除了毛子的T-50还有选择吗?自己连一个和歼7差不多的LCA都做不出来。

请 别 担心 甚至 我们的 我们 可以 仍 击败 你的 屁股 :rofl:
 

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