Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Sanchez]

J-11B costs more than 50m USD.

 

[Kompromat]

 

[wangrong]

http://www.calf.cn/attachments/day_100529/20100529_d41c3358f3c788274284bl67jDyuczCr.jpg

 

[Rank]

good! ...

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

http://www.calf.cn/attachments/day_100529/20100529_d41c3358f3c788274284bl67jDyuczCr.jpg

after watching this angle,im doubtful about J10s TVC.
there isn't much space b/w tail chute and TVC nozzle,then how it can move around.??

 

[sancho]

after watching this angle,im doubtful about J10s TVC.
there isn't much space b/w tail chute and TVC nozzle,then how it can move around.??

Interesting point, but that is J10A with AL 31 engine, found this pic of J10B and the engine nozzels looks different here.

The gap between them and the chute is bigger too, still not enough space, but that's also no TVC version.

 

[zagahaga]

there no TVC but they made up with canards which is a subsitute for TVC and TVC dont need to be 3D TVC there also 2D TVC used on su 30 f 16 f 35 and many other

 

[TaimiKhan]

Interesting point, but that is J10A with AL 31 engine, found this pic of J10B and the engine nozzels looks different here.

The gap between them and the chute is bigger too, still not enough space, but that's also no TVC version.

The engines and nozzles on both versions are same.

The change in nozzle which you are seeing in the J-10B is due to the movement done in the nozzle mostly when the engine goes into after burner stage or during take off.

See videos of F-16s or Sukhois during take off, their engine nozzle change.

here watch this video and see how the nozzle changes:

 

[sancho]

there no TVC but they made up with canards which is a subsitute for TVC and TVC dont need to be 3D TVC there also 2D TVC used on su 30 f 16 f 35 and many other

But these also move upwards, at J10 this seems ot to be possible.

The engines and nozzles on both versions are same.

The change in nozzle which you are seeing in the J-10B is due to the movement done in the nozzle mostly when the engine goes into after burner stage or during take off.

Might be true, but the nozzels clearly look different, more like in post 2499 on the last page.

 

[Sanchez]

The use of TVC on J-10 isn't really much needed. The fighter has superior maneuverability, turn rates and agility. Addition of TVC will create overlaps on the advantages of canards and require a lot more thrust but only bring goodies for showing low speed aerobatic capability-- something similar to that of MKI.

J-10 still has an engine issue. AL-31FN is a little under powered for J-10A, needless to say J-10B. China has paid Russians on the development of Al-31FM series. But the Al-31FM2 (14200kg thrust) is not yet ready. On the Chinese side WS-10A (13200kg) or a modified WS-10A (14000kg) will need time to mature, too.

Chinese TVC may first be seen on J-xx.

 

[Tiger Awan]

check the nozzle on the bottom of right page

it resembles this one

not this one

 

[TaimiKhan]

Guys, the nozzle changes with thrust, its controlled by the pilot either or its auto as per thrust setting:

here see this one:

On the net you will find J-10s pics with wide open nozzle, as well as close nozzles.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Interesting point, but that is J10A with AL 31 engine, found this pic of J10B and the engine nozzels looks different here.

The gap between them and the chute is bigger too, still not enough space, but that's also no TVC version.

Now compare this one with the above one:

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

The use of TVC on J-10 isn't really much needed. The fighter has superior maneuverability, turn rates and agility. Addition of TVC will create overlaps on the advantages of canards and require a lot more thrust but only bring goodies for showing low speed aerobatic capability-- something similar to that of MKI.

J-10 still has an engine issue. AL-31FN is a little under powered for J-10A, needless to say J-10B. China has paid Russians on the development of Al-31FM series. But the Al-31FM2 (14200kg thrust) is not yet ready. On the Chinese side WS-10A (13200kg) or a modified WS-10A (14000kg) will need time to mature, too.

Chinese TVC may first be seen on J-xx.

u made my day bro.....
using TVC only for low speed maneuvers will never create any problem.because at low thrust rate,nozzle of jet engine contracts and become like this

but do not open completely.hence wide area is provided for the movement of thrust vectoring nozzle.

i was considering J10 that it performs maneuvers using TVC with fully after burn and u guys have seen in above video,at full afterburn engine nozzle opens completely.
thanx to taimikhan and Sanchez

but guys i have seen a separate joy-stick containing yellow buttons in J10 cockpit,i think thats use for TVC.

 

[Luftwaffe]

purpose to post it some people on the internet think J-10B is too ugly.
FC-20/J-10B Looks good.

EF-2000