Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[PAFAce]

so can someone tell me if this improvement on j-10 is real or only a dream of chinese fanboys??? please

Good question. The changes in a lot of these pictures are more or less consistent with each other and with what had been forecasted by experts. Also, the changes just make a lot of sense. If this is not the J-10B prototype, it is very close to it.

 

[BATMAN]

so can someone tell me if this improvement on j-10 is real or only a dream of chinese fanboys??? please

On various occasions it has been confirmed by many Chinese members that development of J10-B is for real and those drawings describes the changes.

Now it has also been clear that some time down the line Pakistan will be getting those J10-B.

 

[AchtungSpitfire]

That looks so much like the F-16. Their best looking fighter so far.

 

[PAFAce]

First ever attempt to photoshop a fighter jet. Let me know what you think.

FC-20


Attention: I do not take credit of the original work. Only the colour-scheme and PAF insignia.

 

[spurdozer]

Looks Gr8 PAFace

 

[Luftwaffe]

Are there any significant changes to the Wings similar to EF-2000 or rafale? are there any plans to bring changes to it, cuz i have noticed wings are same or am i wrong?

 

[Munir]

First ever attempt to photoshop a fighter jet. Let me know what you think.

FC-20


Attention: I do not take credit of the original work. Only the colour-scheme and PAF insignia.

It looks awesome... If you make kind o triangles then it would look more aggressive... But this surely looks like a winner to me.

 

[wangrong]

enjoy

 

[hj786]

Thanks for those pictures PAFAce and Wangrong, they look great.

Just to post something on FC-20/J-10B, copied from a post by "challenge" on SinoDefence.com forum.
http://www.*********************/air-force/new-j-10-thread-iii-20-4290.html (replace the stars with "sinodefenceforum")

俄媒：中国歼10B装备保形油箱将出口巴基斯坦

　
东方网消息：据俄罗斯航空港网站报道，中国的成都飞机工业集团(CAC)已开始着手生产双座型 的歼-10型战斗机－－歼-10B。其对巴基斯坦出口时的名称将是FC-20。
　　巴空军消息人士透露，巴方将采购36－100架FC-20。中方的供货将在2014－2015年间开始。

与解放军空军现役的歼-10A相比，歼-10B将装备可控矢量推力发动机，机身两侧也将安装与美国F-16 Block 60类似的保形油箱。从目前公布的照片上来看，歼-10B的机身两侧出现了额外的天线，这表明，CAC已为其更换了新型无线电电子设备。有专家推测，歼 -10B还将装备主动相控阵雷达。
　　据悉，歼-10B的研制工作始于2004－2005年间，并在2008年12月份完成了首次飞行。从照片上判断，该机 采用了重新设计的无附面层隔道超音速进气道(DSI)，不但减轻了飞机的整体重量，而且还降低了雷达反射面 积。
　　除此之外，歼-10B还装备了与苏-30MKK类似的光电跟踪系统。该系统配置于战机座舱盖的右前方，由一部红外搜索跟踪传感器和一部激光测距仪，可以被动式探测敌方目标而无需开启火控雷达，从而降低被敌方战机发现的概率。至于歼-10B垂尾上方增加的一个较大整流罩，里面很可能安装了电子战和电子对抗设备。
　　除此之外，歼-10B机身和机翼下的武器挂点也将有所增加，并会加挂目标指示吊舱。有消息称，歼-10B计划得到了俄罗斯“米格”飞机制造公司专家的技术帮助。(春&#39118

CHina has developed conformal fuel tank for J-10,export version designated as FC-20,the first customer is pakistan AF.

A google translation of the Chinese text:

Translation: Chinese » English

Daily News: It is reported that the Russian aviation website in Hong Kong, China's Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAC) has started production of the F-type two-seater fighter aircraft -10 - F-10B. When its exports to Pakistan will be the name of FC-20.
Pakistan Air Force sources, the Palestinian side will purchase 36-100 aircraft FC-20. China's supply will start at between 2014-2015.

And the People's Liberation Army Air Force active duty compared to the F-10A, F-10B will be equipped with thrust vector control engines, the fuselage will also be installed on both sides with the United States F-16 Block 60 similar conformal fuel tanks. Published photos from the current point of view, the F-10B on both sides of the fuselage had extra antenna, which shows that, CAC has been for the replacement of a new type of radio electronic equipment. Experts have speculated that the F-10B will be equipped with active phased array radar.
The F-10B's development began in 2004-2005 and completed in December 2008 the first flight. To judge from the photos on, it has been redesigned using the free boundary layer separated Road supersonic inlet (DSI), will not only reduce the overall weight of the plane, but also reduces the area of radar reflectivity.
In addition, the F-10B is equipped with the Su-30MKK similar electro-optical tracking system. The system configuration in the plane right in front of the canopy, by an infrared search and track sensor and a laser range finder can be passive and do not aim to detect the enemy opened fire control radar, thus reducing the enemy fighters were found in the probability. As for F-10B vertical increase in the top of a larger fairing, which is likely to install the electronic warfare and electronic countermeasure equipment.
In addition, the F-10B airframe and wing weapons under the mount point will also be increased, and will add instructions linked pod goal. It is reported that F-10B program have been Russia's "MiG" aircraft manufacturing company of technical assistance experts. (Spring)

Please discuss.

 

[Munir]

If they started building then it is a bit unrealistic that delivery will be starting in 2014/15... Pak delayed the J10. They do not want extra cash flow to Zardari, not having introduction of Block52/JF17 an J10 at the same time, time to add western electronics/weapons etc etc

The posted article above is pretty unclear... It doesn't say anything that adds to our knowledge.

 

[PAFAce]

Thanks a lot to everyone for appreciating my work. It means a lot. I should have been studying for my exams, but I was hooked onto it for hours (its addictive!).

Munir: Thanks for the contructive criticism. What do you mean by "more triangle"? As in, the camo patterns should be more pointy?

F-10B will be equipped with thrust vector control engines

I have been wondering that for a while now. The rest of the stuff is pretty well known and discussed. Thanks hj786 for posting that. Since you seem to be a frequent visitor to that forum, how reliable, according to you, is this source?

If the J-10B does have thrust vectoring, I can no longer think of anything that would give the Su-30MKI an advantage over the J-10B (except for payload and distance), but even those advantages can be mitigated through numberical deployment and A2A refuelling.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

If the J-10B does have thrust vectoring, I can no longer think of anything that would give the Su-30MKI an advantage over the J-10B (except for payload and distance), but even those advantages can be mitigated through numberical deployment and A2A refuelling.

Thrust vectoring isn't always an advantage, most aircraft don't even bother with it mostly due to maintenance issues. At this point I believe the TVC rumour mostly stems from fanboy sources.

 

[Munir]

Munir: Thanks for the contructive criticism. What do you mean by "more triangle"? As in, the camo patterns should be more pointy?

Well, if it is worth watching then you did a great job.

Here an example about more straight lines... You do not have to go beyond 2 colours but this works very well or blending.

 

[PAFAce]

Thrust vectoring isn't always an advantage, most aircraft don't even bother with it mostly due to maintenance issues. At this point I believe the TVC rumour mostly stems from fanboy sources.

You are correct. There is a rule in engineering, the more moving/complex parts you have, the shorter the mean time between failure (MTBF). Just ask the designers of the Advanced Tactical Fighter (Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop, Pratt and Whitney, General Electric etc). They had a terrible time trying to meet both performance and reliability, maintainability & supportability (RM&S) requirements. Originally, the ATF was supposed to have "thrust reversing" too, but that would have increased the engine weight and RM&S issues to unacceptable levels.

What I meant by that statement was that I don't see any reason why the J-10B should not be able to counter the Su-30MKI effectively, both BVR and WVR (assuming all the TVC, AESA, BVRAAM, etc. rumors are true). This would mean that India would no longer have a qualitative edge over us (though the quantitative edge would remain).

Here an example about more straight lines... You do not have to go beyond 2 colours but this works very well or blending.

That is just a gorgeous paint job on an awsome looking plane. Saw that picture in the Media section and just had to save it. I will keep that in mind next time (hopefully, after the exams). Thanks, again, for your help.

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Agree to both posts above.