Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[fatman17]

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2008

Jane's Defence Weekly

China deploys J-10 fighters ahead of air show

Ted Parsons, JDW Correspondent

Two Chengdu J-10 fighter aircraft have been deployed to Zhuhai International Airport ahead of Air Show China, which begins on 4 November, in what is thought to be the first public deployment of an operational J-10 unit.

The two aircraft are also unusual in that they feature in-flight refuelling probes - something not previously seen on operational J-10s.

Pictures of the J-10s, taken on or around 20 October, appear to show that the aircraft's refuelling probe may be detachable, indicating that this may be a longstanding capability within the J-10 force. Previous reports of this modification were confirmed in January 2007 as part of the fighter's official 'declassification' by China's television and print media. Images revealed at that time indicated that initial refuelling probe modifications date back to at least 2004. However, China is yet to release official data for the J-10 and the aircraft's internal fuel capacity remains unknown, as does its unrefuelled and refuelled range.

Video footage from 2007 showed the J-10 connecting to the fuel hose from a modified H-6U tanker aircraft. With the H-6U also expected to feature at the Zhuhai air show, the J-10s may be set to demonstrate a refuelling manoeuvre.

The J-10's arrival at Zhuhai illustrates the event's elevated importance for China; the People's Liberation Army Air Force is now a prominent sponsor for the show.

 

[Interceptor]

China Prepares for Zhuhai Air Show

By wendell minnick
Published: 23 Oct 11:56 EDT (15:56 GMT)

Taipei - China is preparing for its 7th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition for Nov. 4-9 in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province, in southern China.

The government-sponsored show features exhibitors from 35 countries, including: 20 French companies - the Safran Group, Snecma and Thales; 40 Russian companies - Irkut, Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi Aviation; three from the United Kingdom - Rolls Royce; five Ukrainian companies - Antonov; and 24 U.S. companies - Boeing, GE Aviation, Rockwell Collins, Pratt & Whitney, Sikorsky and United Technologies.

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More than 100 Chinese defense and aerospace companies, including government organizations, are scheduled to exhibit. The exhibition center has been renovated, which consisted of "rebuilding and decorations, including renovating all three exhibition halls, the press center, chalets and the comprehensive village," said a press release.

Show officials are expecting more than 200,000 public visitors, compared with 180,000 in 2006. The increase is due to the planned attendance of three Chinese astronauts, along with one or more of the re-entry vehicles.

China conducted its first space walk in September. It was the third manned space mission in five years. China has a stated goal of putting a space station in orbit and conducting a manned mission to the moon by 2020.

This year, China is expected to finally display the J-10 "Vigorous Dragon" fighter. Show officials promised in 2006 to display the aircraft, but the fighter never appeared. With a delta-canard configuration, the J-10 is a single-engine, multirole fighter built by the Chengdu Aircraft Corp.

It has been the subject of much speculation since its first test flight in 1998. The Chinese media finally acknowledged its existence in 2006, despite years of reporting in the international press. Based on the Israeli-designed Lavi fighter, it is considered a competitor to Lockheed Martin's F-16 on the international arms market and a model for its stealth fighter program.

Reportedly, Chengdu is working on a J-13 stealth fighter based on the J-10, and the Shenyang Aircraft Corp. is working on the J-12 stealth fighter based on a different design.

Show officials would give no details on what military aircraft would be on display, but the 2006 show included 52 commercial and military aircraft, including the Hongdu L-15 Advanced Trainer, along with 10 different UAVs, including the Tianyi (Sky Wing) and Soar Dragon UAVs.

There were also new conceptual models on display, including the stealthy Anjian (Dark Sword) unmanned combat aerial vehicle. This year, helicopter deals are expected in both the commercial and military market.

"China has become the fastest-growing market in the world" for helicopters, said a show press release, with 1,600 new helicopters to be procured by China by 2010. "Currently, there are only 400 helicopters in use in China's public service, such as police, rescue and fire control, far from being enough," said a press release.

The recent earthquake in Sichuan Province demonstrated a strong need for more helicopters.

China Prepares for Zhuhai Air Show - Defense News

 

[PurpleButcher]

hi!(this is my first post in a forum)


Are there any credible reports that pakistan is invovled in the j-12 or j-13 projects?

 

[T-Rex]

hi!(this is my first post in a forum)


Are there any credible reports that pakistan is invovled in the j-12 or j-13 projects?

No, there are no such reports. Sorry to disappoint you.

 

[PurpleButcher]

i am not at all disappointed .... keeping in mind the economic crisis pakistan is facing these days........ its rather a releif......

 

[IceCold]

hi!(this is my first post in a forum)


Are there any credible reports that pakistan is invovled in the j-12 or j-13 projects?

Pakistan is not invloved in the project as in the case of JF-17 however PAF has plans to induct FC-20 which will be a modified version of the orginal J-10.

 

[PurpleButcher]

we all know that fc-20/j-10 will be inferior to the j-xx..... so why are we so desperate the get our hands on the j-10......

just wait a couple of years let the jf-17 platform mature .......get its second batch ,fitted with european avionics and bvraams, operational and by that time the j-xx will be insha allah flying high in chinese skies.....

and by that time our economy wud have recovered a bit hopefully......

just wait and then get our hands on the j-xx

 

[Myth_buster_1]

we all know that fc-20/j-10 will be inferior to the j-xx..... so why are we so desperate the get our hands on the j-10......

just wait a couple of years let the jf-17 platform mature .......get its second batch ,fitted with european avionics and bvraams, operational and by that time the j-xx will be insha allah flying high in chinese skies.....

and by that time our economy wud have recovered a bit hopefully......

just wait and then get our hands on the j-xx

PAF 2019 modernization plan

so by the end of 2020 PAF should have

4th generation JF-17 block I &2
4th Gen F-16s
4.5 gen FC-20
4.5 JF-17 block III "quite possible"
5th gen Chinese stealth fighter.

 

[PurpleButcher]

do we have the resources for such a modernization plan frankly speaking we are talking about Pakistan where people dont even get electricity.....

we are in a bad bad position financially speaking .....

i dont see that plan(despite my wishes) getting implemented

 

[Myth_buster_1]

do we have the resources for such a modernization plan frankly speaking we are talking about Pakistan where people dont even get electricity.....

we are in a bad bad position financially speaking .....

i dont see that plan(despite my wishes) getting implemented

thats why its a "2019" plan!
11 years!

Pakistan already has a healthy defence export market, in fact it touched 300 million dollars mark this year and it could increase another 100 million next year when BD T-59 are upgraded in pakistan. PAC has a huge potential in its export market. Azerbijian has already placed 260 million dollars order for JF-17 from pakistan. Sri lank BD and many other african and asian air force are very very interusted in JF-17 so alot of orders are expected.
US has diverted 200+ million dollars funds from WOT to F-16 MLU program and another 100 could be expected.
oh btw. PAkistan has already singed 2 civil nuclear reactors with china and they will be finished by 2014 so it has been taken care of.. i am pretty sure the economy will be in better condition then it is now.

 

[BATMAN]

Hi guys, This report was published in January 2006 Janes.
Its just a reminder that Super J-10 which PAF would recieve will be a befitting match to F-16 50/52 so future of PAF will not be affected by any further US sanctions.
BTW, features like thrust vectoring are even not available in F-16.
Looking at the article date, one can expect that super J-10 would be starting its serial production any time.

China working on ‘Super-10’ advanced fighter
HENRY IVANOV
JDW Correspondent
Moscow

China is developing an advanced version of the Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Corporation (CAC) J-10 multirole fighter aircraft, referred to as the Super-10, with a more powerful engine, thrust-vector control,stronger airframe and passive phased-array radar, according to Russian sources. Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG (RSK-MiG) specialists, contracted to provide technical assistance to Chinese design houses, said the enhancement to the J-10 airframe is a logical step, since the fighter was initially intended to have the compact Pratt&Whitney PW1120 engine that powered the Israeli Lavi aircraft, which served as a basis for the J-10. However, the imposition of US
export restrictions forced the decision to install the 20 per cent heavier Russian AL-31FN engine, which requires a larger intake as it needs 40 per cent more air flow.
The J-10 was planned to carry the Phazotron-State Scientific Research Institute of Radio (NIIR) Zhemchug radar with mechanically scanned slotted antenna: a derivative of the Zhuk series fitted to advanced MiG-29 models. While Russia supplied three units to China and assisted Chinese institutes
working on the J-10 fire-control system, Phazotron-NIIR does not have any additional Chinese orders.
Company officials said the Zhemchug could not be copied because designers would not have access to some of its critical components, such as various Russian-made chips that are impossible to copy.
However, another Russian radar firm, Tikhomirov NIIP, said it had recently resumed working with China on a derivative of the Pero passive phased-array radar. The company said a developmental Pero unit was supplied to China in the late 1990s but, after a short test period, it was kept unused until recently when China restarted a joint programme with Tikhomirov NIIP.
Pero, originally developed for the discontinued Su-30KN multirole fighter, may well have been taken as a specimen for a Super-10 radar. Tikhomirov NIIP previously worked on a scaled-down version of the Pero for the MiG-29 and such a unit could fit into a planned Super-10.
In late 2005 China placed a USD300 million order for a second batch of AL-31FN engines; these are a derivative of the Su-27’s AL-31F for single-engine aircraft, with a lower positioning of the gearbox.
At first, it was believed the contract was for the same engines as in the first batch of 54 units supplied in 2001-02 and installed into development prototypes and initial production J-10s. However, AL-31FN-maker Moscow Machine Production Plant (MMPP) Salyut in December 2005 revealed the order to be for theAL-31FN M1, which is claimed to be a new AL-31FN production standard.
The company’s general manager, Yuri Eliseyev, said the new engine was purposely developed for what he referred to as the “Chinese Super-10 fighter”. Four such engines have been seen assembled at MMPP Salyut’s Moscow production site. One of these has been demonstrated undergoing fire testing, during which its swivel nozzle was deflected up/down and sideways at full power and reheated thrust.
Eliseyev said the AL-31FN M1 differs from the original in having an enlarged fan with an inlet diameter of 924 mm instead of 902 mm.
The increased airflow boosts the engine’s thrust at full afterburner from 27,560 lbst (122.6 kN) to 29,760 lbst (132.4 kN). It also has a swivel nozzle developed by Salyut together with St Petersburg-based Zavod imeni Klimova.
The nozzle features the Klimov Vectored Thrust (KliVT) design earlier applied to the RD-33OVT on the MiG-29OVT vectored-thrust demonstrator. Unlike the similar Nauchno-Proizvodstvennoe Obiedinenie (NPO) Saturn design in use on the Indian Air Force Su- 30MKI multirole fighters, which deflects only in pitch, the KliVT deflects in both pitch and yaw.
Eliseyev said the new swivel nozzle, compared to pitch-only designs, is “a lot more suitable” for single-engined aircraft, giving them the capability to remain fully controllable at extremely low speeds.

 

[fatman17]

we all know that fc-20/j-10 will be inferior to the j-xx..... so why are we so desperate the get our hands on the j-10......

just wait a couple of years let the jf-17 platform mature .......get its second batch ,fitted with european avionics and bvraams, operational and by that time the j-xx will be insha allah flying high in chinese skies.....

and by that time our economy wud have recovered a bit hopefully......

just wait and then get our hands on the j-xx

J-xx is still on the drawing board guys. it will be a few years yet. PAF will transition to JF-17, F-16C blk50/52, FC-20 (advanced), maybe the J-11(?) before it even thinks about the J-xx.

 

[zavis2003]

i thing bad days are just to realize us about our abilities as 1965 71 and now economic crises. we should be united and no one INSHAHALLAH can hurt PAKISTAN the GREAT

 

[Myth_buster_1]

J-xx is still on the drawing board guys. it will be a few years yet. PAF will transition to JF-17, F-16C blk50/52, FC-20 (advanced), maybe the J-11(?) before it even thinks about the J-xx.

NO! Chinese 5th generation stealth program is not just on the drawing board and i am pretty sure it has passed wind tunnel testings as one of Russian defense analyst commented that Chinese program could be ahead of Russian PAK-FA if not at the same level.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Hi..
We need J-10 that looks like eurofighter period! lol. It will solve almost all problems for pakistan and make all troubles for BheeIndiyans.