Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[kungfugymnast]

Well , there is some difference between opinion among Iranians in web which probably reflect our decision maker thought ....

People like me believe we should replace our dead air force with new simple cost effective fighter which can secure our sky against our not friendly neighbor ... For this purpose I suggest to try to buy and co produce cheap fighters like mig-35 , j10c , j17 and then try too acuire 5th fighter ... In general , I suggest we act like Pakistan to have an effective domestic air force ....

Other opinion is we have should buy Su35 , su30 or even j11 and then buy pakfa or j31 , or j20 too have an air force with strike capabilities ....

For joint venture with procurement of assembly plant, J10CE, Mig35, Su30M2 being locally built is possible if purchased in bulk. The belt & road is good enough to maintain logistics direct from China & Russia without having to worry on US embargo naval blockade. Country that would attack Iran is likely the US therefore Iran air force requirement for fighters must have large powerful radar, speed and range to protect Iran large air space.

Stealth fighter J31 is definitely needed to counter US stealth planes. Iran would need satellite assistance from Russia & China to help spot any US stealth aircraft that tries to sneak through.

Looking at Iraq, Serbia war with US, air defenses that could detect, track and shoot down US cruise missiles is important. Iraq, Serbia lost their supplies and bases from US cruise missiles and stealth bombers attack before they could fight US head on.

@kungfugymnast

I heard that J-10C is 40 million US dollar flyway price per plane.

40 million US$ or RMB? If US$40million, you could buy the Su30M2 with armament & parts package. Wikipedia said J10A costs US$25 million per plane excluding package. J10C could save on importing Russian engine, is domestic WS10 engine cheaper by right?

 

[UKBengali]

40 million US$ or RMB? If US$40million, you could buy the Su30M2 with armament & parts package. Wikipedia said J10A costs US$25 million per plane excluding package. J10C could save on importing Russian engine, is domestic WS10 engine cheaper by right?

I do not think the Chinese engine would be much cheaper than the Russian one if at all.

J-10C is more expensive as it has AESA radar and more updated electronics.

40 million US dollars per plane is still fantastic value considering how advanced the J-10C is.

 

[kungfugymnast]

I do not think the Chinese engine would be much cheaper than the Russian one if at all.

J-10C is more expensive as it has AESA radar and more updated electronics.

40 million US dollars per plane is still fantastic value considering how advanced the J-10C is.

This makes sense. It is no longer affordable to Iran if priced at US$40 million. How much do you think the J31 would cost?

 

[UKBengali]

This makes sense. It is no longer affordable to Iran if priced at US$40 million. How much do you think the J31 would cost?

Think anywhere from 60-80 million US dollars per plane but I am just guessing here.

Stealth would be costly as would the AESA radar, electronics and the two WS-19 engines.

 

[LKJ86]

J-10S

Via @空军新闻 from Weixin

 

[LKJ86]

J-10S

Via @空军新闻 from Weixin

 

[LKJ86]

J-10AH and J-10SH

Via navy.81.cn

 

[The Eagle]

J-10AH and J-10SH
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Via navy.81.cn

I see old style intakes?

 

[LKJ86]

I see old style intakes?

They are not J-10B/C.

 

[The Eagle]

They are not J-10B/C.

I understand but I thought, A's style is not in production now but that is otherwise. How the SH are going to serve.

 

[LKJ86]

I understand but I thought, A's style is not in production now but that is otherwise. How the SH are going to serve.

J-10SH is the navy version of J-10S.
And J-10S is still in production.

 

[LKJ86]

J-10C

By 杨盼

 

[Beast]

40 million US$ or RMB? If US$40million, you could buy the Su30M2 with armament & parts package. Wikipedia said J10A costs US$25 million per plane excluding package. J10C could save on importing Russian engine, is domestic WS10 engine cheaper by right?

Pls dont think China always need cheaper price tag to win military deal. The VT-4 main battle tank for RTA are much more expensive at USD 5.8 million per pierce compare to USD 4.6 million per piece T-90S of Russia but RTA still buys VT-4 due to better performance when both tender for RTA deal. VT-4 mbt is a 100% indigenous tank including the fully auto transmission engine.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Pls dont think China always need cheaper price tag to win military deal. The VT-4 main battle tank for RTA are much more expensive at USD 5.8 million per pierce compare to USD 4.6 million per piece T-90S of Russia but RTA still buys VT-4 due to better performance when both tender for RTA deal. VT-4 mbt is a 100% indigenous tank including the fully auto transmission engine.

VT4 is better newer bigger and packed more powerful engine than T90S ofcourse more expensive.

J10 at the other hand is medium fighter whereas Su30M2 is heavy fighter, different category and pricing. Put aside overpriced expensive fighters such as EF2000, Rafale and F2 as these fighters meant to make money from taxpayers. F16 for example is always costs less than F15. So J10 won't cost more than J11. Price of new J11D, J15 and J16 have increased to higher than US$50million.

 

[LKJ86]

J-10C

By 吴龙飞