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Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

VT4 is better newer bigger and packed more powerful engine than T90S ofcourse more expensive.

J10 at the other hand is medium fighter whereas Su30M2 is heavy fighter, different category and pricing. Put aside overpriced expensive fighters such as EF2000, Rafale and F2 as these fighters meant to make money from taxpayers. F16 for example is always costs less than F15. So J10 won't cost more than J11. Price of new J11D, J15 and J16 have increased to higher than US$50million.

In PLAAF "Golden Helmet“ exercicse,Su-30MKK/2 was unqualified from jioning the 3TH+ GEN group to fight against J10B/C,J16&su35,and even in the 3TH GEN group Su-30MKK/2 also hard to defeat J10A&J11B to qualified the last 8.
 
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VT4 is better newer bigger and packed more powerful engine than T90S ofcourse more expensive.

J10 at the other hand is medium fighter whereas Su30M2 is heavy fighter, different category and pricing. Put aside overpriced expensive fighters such as EF2000, Rafale and F2 as these fighters meant to make money from taxpayers. F16 for example is always costs less than F15. So J10 won't cost more than J11. Price of new J11D, J15 and J16 have increased to higher than US$50million.
F-16V cost more than a Su30MKK, so what is your call?
 
In PLAAF "Golden Helmet“ exercicse,Su-30MKK/2 was unqualified from jioning the 3TH+ GEN group to fight against J10B/C,J16&su35,and even in the 3TH GEN group Su-30MKK/2 also hard to defeat J10A&J11B to qualified the last 8.

In Pakistan-India air engagement over Kashmir, if PAF telling the truth that their JF17 shot down IAF Su30MKi fitted with advanced Israeli avionics, then it could be true that Su30MKK lost to J10A & J11B over avionics superiority.

F-16V cost more than a Su30MKK, so what is your call?

US and European fighters are always more expensive than Russian. A brand new F15SE with AESA AN/APG-63(CV3) costs US$100million. F/A-18E at $71million while F16E/F/V over $60million.

European fighter prices are always overpriced. French Leclerc MBT is most expensive followed by German Leopard 2A6
Rafale C/M over $85-100million
EF2000 over $155million

Not that they could perform anything extraordinary with expensive parts and maintenance. The Rafale and EF2000 medium range radars are no match against AESA with tracking range below 60-80Nm at high altitude. In BVR, both Rafale and EF2000 could be splashed by US fighters with more powerful radar able to guide missiles to targets better.
 
In Pakistan-India air engagement over Kashmir, if PAF telling the truth that their JF17 shot down IAF Su30MKi fitted with advanced Israeli avionics,
Just a clarification: PAF officially announced that both the kills were made by F-16 using AIM-120C-5.

Role of JF-17: JF-17 however confronted upgraded Mirage-2000I of Indian Air force and achieved BVR locks on latest upgraded Mirage jests and MiG-21, other than this Indian media itself reported malfunction of the radar of both Mirage Jets inside Indian Occupied Territory of Kashmir which mean JF-17 also perform good in EW domain.

In whole mission JF-17 acted as aggressor as well as in BARCAP roll, in aggressor role it provided escort to strike formation of 2 Mirage and 2 JF-17 equipped with H-4 and REK weapon respectively
 
Just a clarification: PAF officially announced that both the kills were made by F-16 using AIM-120C-5.

Role of JF-17: JF-17 however confronted upgraded Mirage-2000I of Indian Air force and achieved BVR locks on latest upgraded Mirage jests and MiG-21, other than this Indian media itself reported malfunction of the radar of both Mirage Jets inside Indian Occupied Territory of Kashmir which mean JF-17 also perform good in EW domain.

In whole mission JF-17 acted as aggressor as well as in BARCAP roll, in aggressor role it provided escort to strike formation of 2 Mirage and 2 JF-17 equipped with H-4 and REK weapon respectively

PAF said their F16C are based in southern territory, not near Kashmir. PAF said no F16 being used and US regulators inspected and clarified that PAF did not misuse their F16s under tight regulation of purchasing US equipments. PAF had HUD recordings and stated JF17s being used in the pursuit that entered foreign territory splashing 2x IAF fighters with SD10. Ever since then, demand for China weapons went up.

IAF Mirage 2000 all these while only flown for air to ground sorties while Mig29 and SU30MKI provided air cover. Old Mig21 only for patrol and training, obsolete for offensive roles.
 
PAF said their F16C are based in southern territory, not near Kashmir. PAF said no F16 being used and US regulators inspected and clarified that PAF did not misuse their F16s under tight regulation of purchasing US equipments. PAF had HUD recordings and stated JF17s being used in the pursuit that entered foreign territory splashing 2x IAF fighters with SD10. Ever since then, demand for China weapons went up.

IAF Mirage 2000 all these while only flown for air to ground sorties while Mig29 and SU30MKI provided air cover. Old Mig21 only for patrol and training, obsolete for offensive roles.
bro I am telling OFFICIAL position

- Secondly F-16 are not deployed only in South of Pakistan but in central Pakistan as well in fact more F-16s are deployed in central Pakistan,

- Again they were correct to say that No F-16 were used in the OFFENSIVE Operation inside Indian Occupied Territories which were conducted by JF-17 and Mirage Jets

- There is no restriction on the use of F-16 again its OFFICIAL position, what you read in media is propaganda by India, only restriction is not to use it with 3rd party without US permission.

- The Video which was officially shown is the Video of strike on Brigade headquarter of Indian Army recorded with camera seeker of H-4 stand-off weapon which as of now is configured ONLY with Mirage jet in PAF so video feed was received and recorded by Mirage Jet (old technology of late 1990s)

- JF-17 used indigenous Range Extension Kit with Mk-83 1000 lb bomb or (Mk-82 here I am mixing it up not quite sure) to strike assign targets

- JF-17 and F-16 both were performing BARCAP at our side of LOC

- Mirage-2000i is a Multi role aircraft and again it is official that 2 Mirage-2000i tried to counter PAF offensive package consist of JF-17 and Mirage Jets, JF-17 countered the Mirage-2000i of Indian Air Force and force them to leave the theater, even Indian media admitted the radar malfunction of both Indian Mirage jets and leaving the combate theater on this grounds

- JF-17 have data of multiple radarlocks to show against Indian Mirage Jets and as per some claim against Su-30 as well

- And now this is my assessment that F-16 was prefered in BVR engagements that day because of its longer range AIM-120C-5 BVR missile, and this is official that only 2 clearances were given that day to shot enemy aircrafts and both were given to F-16s

Last thing that it is J-10 topic so I will not post any further post related to JF-17 or PAF and IAF aerial engagement of Feb-27 of last year, my previous post and this post is posted just to clarify the confusion and to keep the record straight.

Regards,
 
Guys ... not again a PAF vs IAF in the China section!

No offense Deino, the effectiveness of avionics in JF17 could roughly tell us picture of J10C avionics especially in RWR, detection, tracking and guiding missiles.

bro I am telling OFFICIAL position

- Secondly F-16 are not deployed only in South of Pakistan but in central Pakistan as well in fact more F-16s are deployed in central Pakistan,

- Again they were correct to say that No F-16 were used in the OFFENSIVE Operation inside Indian Occupied Territories which were conducted by JF-17 and Mirage Jets

- There is no restriction on the use of F-16 again its OFFICIAL position, what you read in media is propaganda by India, only restriction is not to use it with 3rd party without US permission.

- The Video which was officially shown is the Video of strike on Brigade headquarter of Indian Army recorded with camera seeker of H-4 stand-off weapon which as of now is configured ONLY with Mirage jet in PAF so video feed was received and recorded by Mirage Jet (old technology of late 1990s)

- JF-17 used indigenous Range Extension Kit with Mk-83 1000 lb bomb or (Mk-82 here I am mixing it up not quite sure) to strike assign targets

- JF-17 and F-16 both were performing BARCAP at our side of LOC

- Mirage-2000i is a Multi role aircraft and again it is official that 2 Mirage-2000i tried to counter PAF offensive package consist of JF-17 and Mirage Jets, JF-17 countered the Mirage-2000i of Indian Air Force and force them to leave the theater, even Indian media admitted the radar malfunction of both Indian Mirage jets and leaving the combate theater on this grounds

- JF-17 have data of multiple radarlocks to show against Indian Mirage Jets and as per some claim against Su-30 as well

- And now this is my assessment that F-16 was prefered in BVR engagements that day because of its longer range AIM-120C-5 BVR missile, and this is official that only 2 clearances were given that day to shot enemy aircrafts and both were given to F-16s

Last thing that it is J-10 topic so I will not post any further post related to JF-17 or PAF and IAF aerial engagement of Feb-27 of last year, my previous post and this post is posted just to clarify the confusion and to keep the record straight.

Regards,

Buying US made fighter jets have strict restrictions to follow. Failing which would result in spare parts embargo leaving the plane without spare parts from US which happened before. PAF officials said IAF lied by taking debris of AIM120C5 belonging to Taiwan Air Force. Without war being approved by US especially up against country that is not listed as bad guy in US list, PAF is not allowed to fly its F16 in offensive operation in India territory. The AIM120C5 has similar maximum effective range as SD10/PL12 at 60miles. Only AIM120C7 onwards have 80 miles range slightly more than PL12.

IAF Mirage 2000 could still go air to air but most of the sorties, they fly for air to ground. Probably because of this, they didn't conduct frequent maintenance on the radar for air to air purpose and malfunctioned over time. In previous war on Kashmir, Mig29K provided air cover for Mirage2000 on bombing run.

Back to J10C discussion, any idea on its ECCM capabilities if enemy has EA-18G on ECM jamming radar to make way for strike team to take out radar, SAMs and key ground targets?
 
No offense Deino, the effectiveness of avionics in JF17 could roughly tell us picture of J10C avionics especially in RWR, detection, tracking and guiding missiles.



Buying US made fighter jets have strict restrictions to follow. Failing which would result in spare parts embargo leaving the plane without spare parts from US which happened before. PAF officials said IAF lied by taking debris of AIM120C5 belonging to Taiwan Air Force. Without war being approved by US especially up against country that is not listed as bad guy in US list, PAF is not allowed to fly its F16 in offensive operation in India territory. The AIM120C5 has similar maximum effective range as SD10/PL12 at 60miles. Only AIM120C7 onwards have 80 miles range slightly more than PL12.

IAF Mirage 2000 could still go air to air but most of the sorties, they fly for air to ground. Probably because of this, they didn't conduct frequent maintenance on the radar for air to air purpose and malfunctioned over time. In previous war on Kashmir, Mig29K provided air cover for Mirage2000 on bombing run.

Back to J10C discussion, any idea on its ECCM capabilities if enemy has EA-18G on ECM jamming radar to make way for strike team to take out radar, SAMs and key ground targets?

KLJ-7A(JF-17 blk 3) and KLJ-10A(J-10C) radar are 2 different things. It do not tell much.

Same as Type99A Main Battle Tank vs VT-4 Main battle tank. What is available for Type99A maybe absent from VT-4 tank.
 
KLJ-7A(JF-17 blk 3) and KLJ-10A(J-10C) radar are 2 different things. It do not tell much.

Same as Type99A Main Battle Tank vs VT-4 Main battle tank. What is available for Type99A maybe absent from VT-4 tank.

If avionics in JF17 proven effective, that means avionics in J10 that is more advanced will perform way better. Avionics determine how good an aircraft in spoofing incoming missiles, searching & tracking enemy targets and guiding missiles to targets. The RWR in JF17 shows that China no longer using Russian style RWR that is less detailed on pinpointing incoming missiles and tracking radar location. More of US/EU style with RWR screen allowing pilots to plan and perform evasive maneuver spoofing chaff/flare at right time.
 
You should show him the model that was made in 1982 and helped CAC get the project:
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