Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Stannis Baratheon]

I have heard that J-10B and J-10BS are in production for PLAAF since 2014 and may be the export customer would be BD, Nigeria and may be some other African and South American countries too.

BD might buy an initial batch of 30 J-10B to replace the aging fleet of A-5C and boost it power. Later on a follow up order for 30 J-10C till 2020 or when available. But I think it's quite confirmed that BD is buying more used MiG-29s.

A-5C has been retired. And no, we aren't going for anymore Mig-29s. It costs too much to maintain and thus we have abandoned the purchase of further Mig-29s even though there were offers.

We will either buy the J-10B or J-10C whichever is available or go for Su-30MKK or Su-35 (far-fetched idea) after 2016. J-10 will have the advantage as it only uses 1 engine (less maintenance cost, cheaper and we can get better credit deals from China than Russia) and at this point we need 4th generation fighters as Mig-29s aren't our favourite ones and we prefer Mig-21 over it.

 

[Akasa]

proof.

There is no evidence that a twin-seater J-10B exists; hence my proof is your lack thereof.

 

[black-hawk_101]

A-5C has been retired. And no, we aren't going for anymore Mig-29s. It costs too much to maintain and thus we have abandoned the purchase of further Mig-29s even though there were offers.

We will either buy the J-10B or J-10C whichever is available or go for Su-30MKK or Su-35 (far-fetched idea) after 2016. J-10 will have the advantage as it only uses 1 engine (less maintenance cost, cheaper and we can get better credit deals from China than Russia) and at this point we need 4th generation fighters as Mig-29s aren't our favourite ones and we prefer Mig-21 over it.

But BD should work with China in the form that will allow it to develop its own industry. Like local production of 50 J-10Bs and 50 J-10Cs. Though they can involve in J-10Cs development too.

But now BDAF needs:
50+ Platius
30-50 K-8s
30+ Yak-130
As these can be used for light attacks and are very effective too. Also license produce Turkish - Chinese - EU UAVs and UCAVs at BD.

 

[kungfugymnast]

proof.

If that news is true, the PLAAF just wanted C designation to match the F16C & rafale C for the additional avionics add on. Like superstition lucky number beliefs. Same goes to j11b, it was stopped after few wings entered production in favour of j11d with just a radar upgrade.

 

[Akasa]

If that news is true, the PLAAF just wanted C designation to match the F16C & rafale C for the additional avionics add on. Like superstition lucky number beliefs. Same goes to j11b, it was stopped after few wings entered production in favour of j11d with just a radar upgrade.

There is no superstition with regards to lettering. The "C" designation was given simply due to the aircraft operating with a different set of subsystems.

150+ J-11B have been produced while the J-11D hasn't entered production yet.

 

[Yukihime]

But BD should work with China in the form that will allow it to develop its own industry. Like local production of 50 J-10Bs and 50 J-10Cs. Though they can involve in J-10Cs development too.

But now BDAF needs:
50+ Platius
30-50 K-8s
30+ Yak-130
As these can be used for light attacks and are very effective too. Also license produce Turkish - Chinese - EU UAVs and UCAVs at BD.

an generation gap from A-5C to J-10B?
what a jump...

a deep-developed gen 3.5+ machine is not affordable nor practical for the countries in that list
will rather see L-15 or JF-17 in their squadrons within 15years, IF we have luck and they get a lot of money

in other word, if they are able to have them, they would have had filled up their fleets with Su-27/Mig-29 in the last 30 years... but had they ever been capable like that

it's not about one-hundred dollars toy; even the j-10a is hundred-million RMB in net cost for PLAAF purchase
building up PLAAF fleet cost a lot and will continue to cost more; people behind that amount of money are usually not as foolish as outsiders had thought about...

 

[black-hawk_101]

an generation gap from A-5C to J-10B?
what a jump...

a deep-developed gen 3.5+ machine is not affordable nor practical for the countries in that list
will rather see L-15 or JF-17 in their squadrons within 15years, IF we have luck and they get a lot of money

in other word, if they are able to have them, they would have had filled up their fleets with Su-27/Mig-29 in the last 30 years... but had they ever been capable like that

it's not about one-hundred dollars toy; even the j-10a is hundred-million RMB in net cost for PLAAF purchase
building up PLAAF fleet cost a lot and will continue to cost more; people behind that amount of money are usually not as foolish as outsiders had thought about...

You will see that BD might go for 50 J-10B/J-10BS and Later on 50 J-10C/J-10CS.

or a other better option is to buy F-16 Block-20 about 100 of them with latest upgrades as Taiwan looking to shed it off. As this will create a remarkable fleet made up of aircraft of different regions and less prone to sanctions or any other issue.

50+ Platius
30-50 K-8s
30+ Yak-130
100 F-16 Block-20s

Though sound huge but BD needs it. As its becoming a regional power and has to protect it's assets from INTERNAL and some external threats too.

 

[BoQ77]

the guys martian2 claimed that J-10A ever locked Vietnam Su-30 10 times undetected. around 2010-2011
I wonder in which case that rumor could happen?
Vietnam SU-30 locked by J-10, 10 times

 

[cnleio]

the guys martian2 claimed that J-10A ever locked Vietnam Su-30 10 times undetected. around 2010-2011
I wonder in which case that rumor could happen?
Vietnam SU-30 locked by J-10, 10 times

I don't know whether is the truth, also ever read posts in Chinese military forums ... but no any official news just rumors.

Anyways u see, the Vietnam Airforce's Su-30mkv & Su-30mk2 not r some secret to PLAAF ... coz also operating 90+ Su-30mkk & Su-30mk2, Chinese familiar with Su30 fighter controls and e-communications. Another word, they understand where's the weakness of Su30 fighter.

 

[Beast]

I don't know whether is the truth, also ever read posts in Chinese military forums ... but no any official news just rumors.

Anyways u see, the Vietnam Airforce's Su-30mkv & Su-30mk2 not r some secret to PLAAF ... coz also equiped 90+ Su-30mkk & Su-30mk2, Chinese familiar with Su30 fighter controls and e-communications. Another word, they understand where's the weakness of Su30 fighter.

Vietnam armed forces never intend to challenge PLA, they do not have the resources nor technology to fight mighty China with a staggering USD 170billion military budget.

They buy a lot of sucide weapon if intention is to challenge PLA like Su-30 and Kilo sub which China now uses as spare target

Those weapons are to achieved superiority over Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia, no way over mighty PLA.

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

But BD should work with China in the form that will allow it to develop its own industry. Like local production of 50 J-10Bs and 50 J-10Cs. Though they can involve in J-10Cs development too.

But now BDAF needs:
50+ Platius
30-50 K-8s
30+ Yak-130
As these can be used for light attacks and are very effective too. Also license produce Turkish - Chinese - EU UAVs and UCAVs at BD.

We don't have the ability to make them at Bangladesh. It will take some time for that to happen but in the mean time we should buy at least 4 squadrons of J-10B/C
Yak-130 are good lightweight training and attack planes and 24 is good (we purchased 24 of it) and no need to purchase more. I would rather go for the K-8 for basic training and surveillance, as they are cheaper.

 

[BoQ77]

I don't know whether is the truth, also ever read posts in Chinese military forums ... but no any official news just rumors.

Anyways u see, the Vietnam Airforce's Su-30mkv & Su-30mk2 not r some secret to PLAAF ... coz also operating 90+ Su-30mkk & Su-30mk2, Chinese familiar with Su30 fighter controls and e-communications. Another word, they understand where's the weakness of Su30 fighter.

You could easily find that China asked Russia to replace Russian stuffs by Chinese made stuffs. So how China understand what not installed in their Su-30 ?
And Vietnam purchased Su-30 much later than China did.
How you make sure they buy the old ones as China ever know?

 

[cnleio]

You could easily find that China asked Russia to replace Russian stuffs by Chinese made stuffs. So how China understand what not installed in their Su-30 ?
And Vietnam purchased Su-30 much later than China did.
How you make sure they buy the old ones as China ever know?

What stuffs China need to ask Russia to replace ? AL-31 jet engine ? .... China can build jet fighter + modern cockpit + modern sub-systems, now only problem is the jet engine.

 

[55100864]

i just can't believe why there are still some dumb chinese member spend time reply to trolls?

 

[Beast]

What stuffs China need to ask Russia to replace ? AL-31 jet engine ? .... China can build jet fighter + modern cockpit + modern sub-systems, now only problem is the jet engine.
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China dont even need to ask Russian for engine. Our Taihang engine is even better than AL-31

China can make a 100% domestic produced J-16 or J-11BS.