Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Sinnerman108]

Sir building a spacecraft is MUCH easier then building a reliable & robust aircraft jet engine.

Look at the Indians. All the money and manpower in the world, yet they couldn't finish the kaveri. They have launched a space-craft to Mars, but cannot build a decent jet engine. Or a Tank engine for that purpose.

High performance engine design is more of an art than simple engineering. Like they say, devil is in the details.

Building a "Rocket" is comparatively easier than making a jet engine.

 

[Foo_Fighter]

This plane looks pretty awesome tbh... Chinese engineering triumphant again, they way they are producing these beats and there is a lesson for India here. Hope in the future China - India relations get better to a level that we could JV a few war machines with them. All the best China!!!

 

[cirr]

Building a "Rocket" is comparatively easier than making a jet engine.

Developing an engine inevitably takes longer。

It is akin to raising a kid，who needs time to mature。

Both performance and reliability matter。Making the engine is the easy part，it then needs to go through all the necessary and strict tests which can't be expedited or hastened

So patience。

 

[Bilal.]

I have followed Pakistan and Chinese related defence development for more than 15 years now. I can vividly remember how not too long ago people used to say that China cant design a modern aircraft and projects like J-10 and JF-17 were called hoax and paper projects. Then it all became a reality and people shifted to FBW flight control system, then it became a reality with iron bird. Then they shifted to Modern radars, then they became a reality. Then they said China cant produce MRAAMs and SD-10/PL-12 is just a hoax, then it was proved to be true. So I know for sure that in a couple of years modern Chinese jet engines will be a reality so much so that many of us will forget that it was ever a problem.

 

[Beast]

Building a "Rocket" is comparatively easier than making a jet engine.

We have already build an engine. Using AL-31FN on J-10 is a political decision. The Russian are offering their engine at rock bottom price and is willing to listen to customer demand unlike treating the Indians.

The Russian dare not play tricks with the Chinese becos we can easily replace those engine if they are not supplying. If Salyut is not getting the Chinese engine deal. They will go bust. Russian is a strategic partner. We cannot not buying a single military stuff from them,right? Buy a few and keep both side happy, why not?

WS-10 in service.

WS-10 engines with operational aircraft and not prototypes.

We even tested a WS-10 engine on J-10 but Russian are quick to offer the best price for their AL-31FN engine for our J-10A. Plus we have a massive overhaul engine plant in sichuan which we need not worry about Russian cutting off our supplies if war started and they are not providing anymore engine. Chinese have planned everything well. No worry about engine.

AL-31FN Overhaul plant in sichuan

If engine is a problem for J-10, why would the CCP talks about selling J-10 to PAF? Only financial is stopping PAF from acquiring J-10, not engine.

 

[Firoze]

 

[Manticore]

Rafale and Chinese J10 at MAKS 2013

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

We have already build an engine. Using AL-31FN on J-10 is a political decision. The Russian are offering their engine at rock bottom price and is willing to listen to customer demand unlike treating the Indians.

The Russian dare not play tricks with the Chinese becos we can easily replace those engine if they are not supplying. If Salyut is not getting the Chinese engine deal. They will go bust. Russian is a strategic partner. We cannot not buying a single military stuff from them,right? Buy a few and keep both side happy, why not?

WS-10 in service.

WS-10 engines with operational aircraft and not prototypes.

We even tested a WS-10 engine on J-10 but Russian are quick to offer the best price for their AL-31FN engine for our J-10A. Plus we have a massive overhaul engine plant in sichuan which we need not worry about Russian cutting off our supplies if war started and they are not providing anymore engine. Chinese have planned everything well. No worry about engine.

AL-31FN Overhaul plant in sichuan

If engine is a problem for J-10, why would the CCP talks about selling J-10 to PAF? Only financial is stopping PAF from acquiring J-10, not engine.

well this is from last 5 years we talking. finance is nothing , when china can finance 6 billion for nuclear plan what stopping for j-10?

 

[Bratva]

Where is IFR in Production version of J-10B?

 

[Beast]

well this is from last 5 years we talking. finance is nothing , when china can finance 6 billion for nuclear plan what stopping for j-10?

China is loaded but she don't give money to others for free.

 

[Munir]

I would not be very happy to park anything near Rafale. The Americans are even looking at it that way... The issue is that Rafale has very good sensors that practically dissect anything from IR tot all radar or electronic output your plane has... Say you use your actuator. The sensor can read the output and use it in countering that response... Let us forget about just the RCS...

 

[Bilal.]

I would not be very happy to park anything near Rafale. The Americans are even looking at it that way... The issue is that Rafale has very good sensors that practically dissect anything from IR tot all radar or electronic output your plane has... Say you use your actuator. The sensor can read the output and use it in countering that response... Let us forget about just the RCS...

I think those J-10 AYs don't carry any radar or ECM system, they are just for acrobatics...

 

[Superboy]

Jet engine is alien technology. Aliens gave it to the Nazis. When America and Russia beat the Nazis, they were able to take the jet engine technology.

 

[Dazzler]

J-10B chinese media, sqdrn induction in progress...

 

[帅的一匹]

Rafale and Chinese J10 at MAKS 2013

From the picture, Rafale's radar cone is relatively small compared with J10.