Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[sancho]

the price of UAE mirage is so much (especially after upgrades) that its better to acquire more older f-16s/jf-17s or j-10s

More importantly, they will be available only after 2017, when Rafales to replace the M2K-9 could be procured. By that time even a JF 17 Block 3 is possible.

 

[Basel]

I dont think its good now to go for M2K9s, time for that has gone, PAF may purchase more used F-16s to increase numbers and its good choice because it has still more potential to be upgraded than M2Ks because its production line is closed, further for F-16 newer blocks are available in the market and there are hundreds of F-16s in the market which will be MLUed or upgraded soon therefore many US and western companies will be willing to upgrade them to 4.5++ gen standard which will make them near to class of EF-2000 & Rafael, for current block 50s/52s radar upgraded has been presented and available by US companies and they will be happy to sale the same to Pakistan as we may have nearly 100 planes to upgrade in near future to 4.5++ standard.

 

[Luftwaffe]

when Rafales to replace the M2K-9 could be procured.

Who told you U.A.E AF is replacing them with Rafale, it is a contender not confirmed selected by air force.

Stick to J-10 Thread Topic.

 

[Ra'ad]

Aoa, how are single engine fighters different from twin engine fighters in their roles and performance?
For china, do j-11 and j-10 serve the same purpose or they have different roles/missions?
Why does Pakistan always opt for single engine jets? Why not go for J-11 variants?

 

[xhw1986]

Chengdu Aircraft Industry designing more advanced J-10C fighter

A J-10B prototype takes a test flight.

The J-10B — the upgrade version of China's J-10 fighter — recently entered service with the People's Liberation Army, with its designer Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group already developing the more advanced J-10C, reports the Hong Kong-based Phoenix Television.

Equipped with an active electronically scanned array radar, Phoenix Television stated that the J-10B has the capability to take out Japan's F-15J fighters if an aerial confrontation were to occur over the disputed Diaoyutai islands (called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China) in the East China Sea. The fighter is also built with radar absorbent material and better diverterless supersonic inlet, while its stealth capability has also been increased compared to its predecessor, the J-10A.

China is the only nation in the world which has the ability to build its own diverterless supersonic inlet other than the United States, the report said. With this technology, the J-10B is believed to be the best 4.5 generation fighter in the Asia-Pacific region. Its helmet-mounted display system designed for J-10B pilots reacts faster and it is also very similar to the US-built F-16E/F Block 60 and French-built Rafale.

However, the J-10B is primarily designed as a fighter for aerial engagement. A multirole fighter will be needed for China to conduct ground attack missions as well as aerial combat missions against potential enemies in the region and therefore the PLA Air Force and Navy Air Force will need the more advanced J-10C, Phoenix Television said.

Chengdu Aircraft Industry designing more advanced J-10C fighter｜Politics｜News｜WantChinaTimes.com

 

[Munir]

Dual engine was a safety aspect in the past. Or to carry big loads... Today with superb engines, superb engines and superb weapons that goes in the garbage. You can talk about range yet F16 from Israel dropped bombs on Osirak. And with IFR (AND Onboard Oxygen Generating) what is the big deal these days. Surely a bigger plane is nice. Does Pakistan need it really that hard? HARDLY.

 

[Munir]

It makes one wonder why Chinese aircraft are not part of the sheet Saab recently showed in Brazil...

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Don't be stupid... All those planes are having lower costs then Gripen so they would be outright stupid to show that...

 

[sancho]

Who told you U.A.E AF is replacing them with Rafale, it is a contender not confirmed selected by air force.

It was and still is the only contender, anything else was just hot air to milk more benefits out of the French, but IF the UAE want to replace the M2K-9 anytime soon, it will be Rafales.

 

[Munir]

In Europe you see the reality that one hardly changes suppliers. So since they are used to French Mirage2000-5 (and they need to sell them) we can expect some strings. I thin Sancho made the correct comment. Rafale will probably the only real contender.

 

[cnleio]

Beauty~!

 

[帅的一匹]

Dual engine was a safety aspect in the past. Or to carry big loads... Today with superb engines, superb engines and superb weapons that goes in the garbage. You can talk about range yet F16 from Israel dropped bombs on Osirak. And with IFR (AND Onboard Oxygen Generating) what is the big deal these days. Surely a bigger plane is nice. Does Pakistan need it really that hard? HARDLY.

When WS15 with 17 tons of thrust power come in place in year 2016, if test successfully on J10B, time for PAF to get it.

China airforce will be extremely strong and standing in the top of Asian Pacific in year 2020. I think China shall provide a customized AESA radar for JF17 block 3 in the coming three years, why not?

With J10B/J11B/J16/JH7B/J20/J31 in service by 2020, I do not forsee any country could challenge China in the coming 10 years. We are too strong to be defeated. Any body standing in our way will be flushed down into historical toilet. Revenge will be made and land dispute will be solved. We will tell the world who is the boss of the Asia.

China is making his back.

 

[帅的一匹]

I dont think its good now to go for M2K9s, time for that has gone, PAF may purchase more used F-16s to increase numbers and its good choice because it has still more potential to be upgraded than M2Ks because its production line is closed, further for F-16 newer blocks are available in the market and there are hundreds of F-16s in the market which will be MLUed or upgraded soon therefore many US and western companies will be willing to upgrade them to 4.5++ gen standard which will make them near to class of EF-2000 & Rafael, for current block 50s/52s radar upgraded has been presented and available by US companies and they will be happy to sale the same to Pakistan as we may have nearly 100 planes to upgrade in near future to 4.5++ standard.

As the relationship between India and USA is getting more and more close, Pakistan will not bet its stake on USA like used to be.

Aoa, how are single engine fighters different from twin engine fighters in their roles and performance?
For china, do j-11 and j-10 serve the same purpose or they have different roles/missions?
Why does Pakistan always opt for single engine jets? Why not go for J-11 variants?

J10 is multi-role fighter and J11 is airsuperior firghter, i think J10 is more cost-effective than J11 for PAF. If you wanna compare J11B with J10B, i think in the air combat J11B is more durable. J10C( in the development) will be mounted with indegionous 17 tons thrust power WS15 engine make it cruise at super-sonic.

FULL PAYLOAD OF J10A

 

[Luftwaffe]

It was and still is the only contender, anything else was just hot air to milk more benefits out of the French, but IF the UAE want to replace the M2K-9 anytime soon, it will be Rafales.

Boeing F-15 and F-18 E/F Super Hornet are also contenders. 25 more F-16 Desert Falcons ordered already to supplement current F-16 Fleet. Perhaps the additional 25 desert falcons might replace a squadron of original Mirage 2000EAD that were upgraded to -9 once the delivery complete sometimes in 2016-17.

There is no "will be", Clearly Dassault refused to develop more power engine and wants U.A.E to milk the project which U.A.E already refused unless Dassault agrees to develop on their part. On the other hand Boeing has no such problem.

Now can we get back at Thread Topic.

 

[LTE-TDD]

Official confirmed that: Comparing to J10A, J10B weight is reduced by more than 1 ton and with AESA

 

[sancho]

FULL PAYLOAD OF J10A
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Boeing F-15 and F-18 E/F Super Hornet are also contenders. 25 more F-16 Desert Falcons ordered already to supplement current F-16 Fleet. Perhaps the additional 25 desert falcons might replace a squadron of original Mirage 2000EAD that were upgraded to -9 once the delivery complete sometimes in 2016-17.

No they are not, they were rejected already and US fighters can't replace the M2K, because they can't use the Black Shaheen cruise missile, which is a crucial capability for the UAE. They just increased the numbers of F16s, while they keep upgrading the M2Ks with more capabilities nearly every year, which shows that there is neither a need for a fast replacement, nor even would they want it, UNLESS the replacement offers similar advantages and Rafale does that. Besides that France is the only country that can buy back the M2Ks, thanks to EUM.
You clearly are not following that case that much, but anyway, I only clarified why M2Ks could not be procured by PAF anytime soon, which makes them no possible alternative, besides the fact that they might be more expensive than JF 17 Block 3 or J10Bs.