Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[DANGER-ZONE]

Chinese Chengdu J-10 Emerges​

Jan 14, 2010

By Richard D. Fisher, Jr.
Washington



Wrapped in secrecy for most of the decade following its 1998 test flight, Chengdu Aircraft Corp.’s J-10 multirole fighter is set to enter the global market. Following a development history that extends to the 1960s, and five years in the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF), the J-10 may emerge in the market soon after 2010, offering capabilities approaching Lockheed Martin’s F-16C Block 60, at half the price.

About 150 J-10s may be in PLAAF units. This could exceed 300 based on Russian disclosures that China purchased 300-400 12.7-ton-thrust Salyut AL-31FN engines for the fighter. Pakistan, which received Chinese nuclear weapons technology and generations of conventional weapons, will be the debut J-10 customer.

Reports from Pakistan say a deal has been reached to sell 36 J-10s to Islamabad for $1.4 billion, about $40 million per unit. F-16C Block 60 fighters with AN/APG-80 active phased array radar were sold to the United Arab Emirates for about $80 million each. It is not known whether the price of Pakistan’s J-10 includes spares, support and training.

Pakistan could buy 70-150 J-10s. The country has been an F-16 operator since 1982, and is taking delivery of 18 F-16C/D Block 52 fighters, half of an expected sale of 36. Pakistani sources tell DTI that the J-10 is not expected to become a coproduction project with Pakistan. There have also been reports of interest in the J-10 by Iran, Myanmar and the Philippines.

China has not released data about the J-10. Recent Chinese media reports, however, offer the following: length, 16.43 meters (53.9 ft.); wingspan, 8.78 or 9.75 meters; maximum takeoff weight, 19,227 kg. (42,300 lb.); maximum weapons load, 7,000 kg.; combat radius, 1,100 km. (683 mi.); maximum speed, Mach 2; maneuverability, 9g.

Despite a history of Israeli and Russian design assistance, and its dependence on the Salyut engine, China touts the J-10 as a domestic product. November festivities marking the PLAAF’s 60th anniversary featured a J-10 aerobatic display and the showing of a prototype and full-scale, twin-seat mockup at the national aviation museum.

Besides price, what makes the J-10 attractive is competitive electronic and weapon systems. The latest version, sometimes called the J-10B (or FC-20 when slated for Pakistan) emerged in Internet photos in January 2009. It features a diverterless supersonic inlet similar in principle to that of the Joint Strike *Fighter. The nose is redesigned, with an infrared search-and-track system in front of the windscreen and what appears to be a canted radar bulkhead consistent with a fixed electronically scanned array radar. If true, this would be a major advance for China’s radar technology, and may make the J-10 competitive with upgraded Western and Russian fourth-generation-plus fighters. The cockpit is dominated by three multifunction displays and a head-up display.

The J-10 has 11 hardpoints, including five on the fuselage. Its principal counter-air weapon is the Luoyang PL‑12 active radar-guided air-to-air missile (AAM) with 70-km. range. With a twin-AAM pylon on the inner wing mount, plus two on forward fuselage mounts, the J-10 could carry eight PL-12s. Short-range AAMs include the PL-8, a copy of the Israeli Python-3, and an improved version of this missile, the PL-9, both helmet-sighted. The J-10 may soon feature a more capable helmet-mounted display and a new fifth-generation AAM from Luoyang.
The fighter’s market success will depend on China’s ability to produce reliable advanced turbofan engines. Rival fighter maker Shenyang has been developing its WS-10A Taihang turbofan since the mid-1980s, which could offer 13.2 tons of thrust. Russian sources believe it is beset by developmental difficulties.

Chengdu may have a competing Huashan advanced turbofan engine program, which some Chinese sources note is based on its late-1990s acquisition of the engineering data and sales rights to the Tumansky R-79 turbofan developed for the defunct Yakovlev Yak-141 supersonic vertical/short-takeoff-and-landing fighter. Nevertheless, Russian sources say China remains interested in more powerful versions of the Salyut AL-31FN, which could come in 13.5- and, eventually, 15-ton-thrust versions.

Chengdu remains ready to develop a carrier-based version of the J-10. During the PLAAF anniversary, a test pilot was reported noting that ground-test simulations prove the J-10 can operate from a carrier.


Chinese Chengdu J-10 Emerges

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great job

 

[SBD-3]

I heard about PL-14 BVRAAM but not new WVRAAM....any updates on this

 

[hboGYT]

I heard about PL-14 BVRAAM but not new WVRAAM....any updates on this

You mean PL-13?

 

[SBD-3]

You mean PL-13?

Yes to be presice PL-13/14 Ramjet based LRAAM

 

[Dazzler]

Just to share with all friends what i heard (some of it off course) feom a reliable source,

The J-10 variant tested last year to which we know as J-10 B is not actually the J-10 B but in reality, is the FC-20. The aircraft featured everything that the PAF asked from Chinese friends from IRST to DSI intake. All the requirements were associated in the aircraft including the radar which is still being tested as of now. Nriet is very close to develop an AESA variant for FC-20 as well as jf-17. They are now so confident that they are pitting both radars for competition with western western firms. Some really interesting developments indeed but the eventual winner in either case will be. The PAF !!!

 

[Dazzler]

Just to share with all friends what i heard (some of it off course) feom a reliable source,

The J-10 variant tested last year to which we know as J-10 B is not actually the J-10 B but in reality, is the FC-20. The aircraft featured everything that the PAF asked from Chinese friends from IRST to DSI intake. All the requirements were associated in the aircraft including the radar which is still being tested as of now. Nriet is very close to develop an AESA variant for FC-20 as well as jf-17. They are now so confident that they are pitting both radars for competition with western western firms. Some really interesting developments indeed but the eventual winner in either case will be. The PAF !!!

 

[SBD-3]

J-10B will be FC-20, its confirmed from other sources as well.Adding to you, PLAAF also see a twin engine J-10 reaching Typhoon standard known as J-10C

 

[ejaz007]

Came across this link thought should share:

Pak to buy 14 Chinese fighter jets, 114 more may come

 

[Super Falcon]

Industry Corporation
And has produced specifically for the Air Force of the People's Liberation Army
And called the name of the West Vigorous Dragon Dragon awakening and the fighter J-10 You can fight in all weather conditions day and night and compares China with F16 and Mirage 2000 and the program was J-10 A secret and very mysterious until formally announced in the December 26, 2006 and that by the News Network Chinese Kinwa

Program:
Program Fighter Support the first time by Chinese leader Deng Khiaobing, which exchange very large sums on the project, but have been working on the project officially by the government Chinese In early 1986 and has been launched by the fighters to fight the new fourth-generation and the government had agreed Chinese To make it be the same specifications of the MiG-29 and the Su-27 Soviet
At the beginning of the project was Fighter Ad hoc, but later was modified and increase the project budget and turned into a multi-role fighter
Journal of children in China in 1979 published a picture in one of the themes of the children a picture of a child Chini a plane with his hand and playing with the form of the plane is very similar to b J-10 This indicates that the project began in 1979
Despite the fact that the project started before 1979 did not go by the government Chinese Formal and as I mentioned earlier, the agency Kinwa in 2006 announced Fighter But the government and Chinese Allowed for the first time in June 2007 and the first published pictures of the images were obtained on the agency Kinwa Alr.s. and has been so secretive and vague, and it was the first test in 1997 and crashed in one of the planes and was not successful and the first successful test was on March 23 1998 and entered service in 2004 after 18 years of development, and converted to multi-task and I was the successful test by the pilot Lee Kiang in the March 23, 1998, lasted the test period of twenty minutes, and in 2003 was tested again and then on December 21, 2003 was tested on the fighting and were fired Zkrp live in the test and the first squadron was obtained by the 131 Squadron of the Task Force 44

General information about theJ-10 :
Type: multi-tasking

Country of Origin: China
Record Label: Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation Designer: Institute Chengdu Aircraft design
First flight date: March 23, 1998
Date Posted: 2005
Users: China and have both versions of the 128 single-seat and two seats and will own China in the coming years, more than 300 fighter
Pakistan has asked 36 and will be delivered in 2014-2015

Date of Production: 2003 to Today

Product number: more than 180
Price: $ 28 million
$ 41 million for copies of export with spare parts and
Maintenance




States that used by China:
Although China and bones and how big, but others engaged in the production and fight them, according to official sources, which says that the J-10 Is an enhanced version of the Chengdu J-9 but there is conflicting reports that there is a connection with the program Fighter Israeli IAI Lavi and the failure of the Israeli program for a long time and maybe I helped China in the J-10
But in an exclusive interview with lead designer, Mr. Sung and Ikong on state television, he said Mr.: (Our nation has produced in Almqaltp own and structure and Aerodinamekadtha alone without the cooperation with foreigners and this makes me very proud, and that the J-9 We created in the sixties are Aonta by Canard But those who claim that the J-10 Is a copy of the Lavi Israel says it Hraat and make me laugh)

 

[mean_bird]

J-10 fighter enters international market at $40 million​

Recently, the U.S. think tank, International Assessment and Strategy Center, published an article about the Chinese J-10 fighter. The article claimed that the J-10 fighter is about to enter the international market after 2010, while its price tag of 40 million U.S. dollars is half of its U.S. counterpart, the F-16 fighter.

According to the article, the J-10 fighter is going to sell on the international weapons market around 2010 after extensive R&D and equipping of the Chinese Air Force is complete. It is understood that the Chinese Air Force started developing J-10 back in the 1960s, and it has been fully equipped for the last five years.

The progress that China has made in developing the engine makes the fighter very competitive on international markets; while with its good quality electronics and weapon systems, the price is just half of an American F-16. Pakistan is sure to be the first buyer, and many countries including Iran and the Philippines are also planning to introduce the fighter.

According to Pakistani sources, Pakistan has already reached an agreement with China to buy 36 J-10 fighters at a total value of 1.4 billion U.S. dollars (40 million U.S. dollars for each fighter). While the single price for an F-16, which U.S. sold to the UAE affiliated with AN/APG-80 radar, was 80 million U.S dollars. At the moment it is unclear whether spare parts, maintenance support, training and other services are included into the J-10's price. It is estimated that Pakistan might buy 70 to 150 J-10 fighters in all.

Besides price, what makes the J-10 attractive is its competitive electronics and weapon systems. The latest version, sometimes called the J-10B (or FC-20 when slated for Pakistan) emerged in Internet photos in January 2009. It features a driverless supersonic inlet similar in principle to that of the Joint Strike Fighter. The nose is redesigned, with an infrared search-and-track system in front of the windscreen and what appears to be a canted radar bulkhead consisting of a fixed, electronically scanned array radar. If true, this would be a major advance for China's radar technology, and may make the J-10 competitive with upgraded Western and Russian fourth-generation-plus fighters. The cockpit is dominated by three multifunction displays and a heads-up display.

The J-10 has 11 hardpoints, including five on the fuselage. Its principal counter-air weapon is the Luoyang PL 12 active radar-guided air-to-air missile (AAM) with 70-km. range. With a twin-AAM pylon on the inner wing mount, plus two on forward fuselage mounts, the J-10 can carry eight PL-12s. Short-range AAMs include the PL-8, a copy of the Israeli Python-3, and an improved version of this missile, the PL-9, both helmet-sighted. The J-10 may soon feature a more capable helmet-mounted display and a new fifth-generation AAM from Luoyang.

The fighter's market success will depend on China's ability to produce reliable advanced turbofan engines. Rival fighter maker Shenyang has been developing its WS-10A Taihang turbofan since the mid-1980s, which could offer 13.2 tons of thrust. Russian sources believe it is beset by developmental difficulties.

Chengdu may have a competing Huashan advanced turbofan engine program, which some Chinese sources note is based on its late-1990s acquisition of the engineering data and sales rights to the Tumansky R-79 turbofan developed for the defunct Yakovlev Yak-141 supersonic vertical/short-takeoff-and-landing fighter. Nevertheless, Russian sources say China remains interested in more powerful versions of the Salyut AL-31FN, which could come in 13.5- and, eventually, 15-ton-thrust versions.

Chengdu remains ready to develop a carrier-based version of the J-10. During the PLAAF anniversary, a test pilot was reported noting that ground-test simulations prove the J-10 can operate from a carrier.

Global Times contributes to the story

 

[Arsalan]

@ mean_bird

nice to hear from you after so long..
well i hope all these things mentioned in the article turn out to be true as soon as possible. this wont only help PAF's future procurement in shape of FC20 but will aslo help to take the already existing JF17 to a new level.
the future of PAF and thus overall Pakistan military forces heavily dependent on these two planes!!

regards!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

THIS PLAN DESERVES A NICKNAME

"VENOM" ...

Oh yes J10 VENOM -

 

[BATMAN]

THIS PLAN DESERVES A NICKNAME

"VENOM" ...

Oh yes J10 VENOM -

No.... this is not good name...it sounds too satanic.

Star or Hawk sounds beter.

The fighter's market success will depend on China's ability to produce reliable advanced turbofan engines.

This is some thing China should take Pakistan on board, perhaps a joint development could be good direction.

 

[BATMAN]

Just to share with all friends what i heard (some of it off course) feom a reliable source,

The J-10 variant tested last year to which we know as J-10 B is not actually the J-10 B but in reality, is the FC-20. The aircraft featured everything that the PAF asked from Chinese friends from IRST to DSI intake. All the requirements were associated in the aircraft including the radar which is still being tested as of now. Nriet is very close to develop an AESA variant for FC-20 as well as jf-17. They are now so confident that they are pitting both radars for competition with western western firms. Some really interesting developments indeed but the eventual winner in either case will be. The PAF !!!

Now from article:

what makes the J-10 attractive is its competitive electronics and weapon systems. The latest version, sometimes called the J-10B (or FC-20 when slated for Pakistan) emerged in Internet photos in January 2009. It features a driverless supersonic inlet similar in principle to that of the Joint Strike Fighter. The nose is redesigned, with an infrared search-and-track system in front of the windscreen and what appears to be a canted radar bulkhead consisting of a fixed, electronically scanned array radar. If true, this would be a major advance for China's radar technology, and may make the J-10 competitive with upgraded Western and Russian fourth-generation-plus fighters. The cockpit is dominated by three multifunction displays and a heads-up display.

 

[mean_bird]

The J10b is nothing but a name given to it by internet forums. Officially the plane does not exist so it doesn't even have a name. Though it might end up actually being J10b similar to J11b.

The idea that this is the plane pakistan is going to get makes more sense considering PAF chief had said that the J10A lacks in what PAF wanted and they had demanded various enhancements. Similarly, the designation FC-20 also hints at this being something (even if slightly) different from the J10 already existing.