Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

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Wonderful piece of art

 

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(if this has been posted then delete this post please ) exept for the pics at the bottom of my post


China Defense Blog: J-10B for Pakistan

This article confirms what we already know for some time – the Pakistan Air Force is interested in J-10B instead of the standard J-10 variant currently in service with the PLAAF.


DATE:30/09/09
SOURCE:Flight International
China's AVIC steps up sales push for FC-1, J-10 fighters
By Siva Govindasamy

China's AVIC steps up sales push for FC-1, J-10 fighters

China plans to market the Chengdu FC-1/JF-17 and J-10 fighters aggressively as part of its plan to become a major player in the global aerospace industry.

"While AVIC's main job is to manufacture aircraft, the company also fulfils a national agenda by producing military aircraft for China's political allies around the world," says a source close to Chengdu's state-owned parent company. "There are also countries that would like to buy a good fighter, but not at the cost of a Western fighter.

"While China's military aircraft have been exported for many years, this is the first time that there is a concerted effort to properly market them and establish a support network," the source adds.

In the past few months, senior company officials have been identifying the military products that will be given the most attention for the export market. In the fighter segment, the JF-17 and the J-10 are the two most important aircraft, says the source.

"Given that the JF-17 has been in service in China and Pakistan for a number of years and is a mature programme, it is being given first priority," the source adds.

Islamabad, which helped to develop the JF-17, has committed to buying 150 aircraft produced by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. This figure could rise to 300 aircraft to replace the country's air force fleets of Nanchang A-5s, Chengdu F-7s and Dassault Mirage III and Mirage Vs.

The JF-17 will be able to carry a variety of conventional and precision-guided bombs, and air-to-air and air-to-sea missiles from short- to beyond-visual-range. The type is already being marketed to countries in Africa, the Middle East, South America and South-East Asia.

"The J-10 is not ready for export yet, as AVIC is still finalising upgrades for the fighter," the source says. "But there has been interest from several countries."

AVIC is likely to begin exports of the new type - which entered Chinese air force service in early 2007 - after it has finished developing an upgraded J-10B version. Enhancements are to include a modified vertical stabiliser and ventral fins, redesigned engine inlet, a new radar and an infrared search and track sensor.
Pakistan is likely to be the first export customer, having begun negotiations to buy 36 aircraft several years ago. To be designated locally as FC-20s, deliveries are likely to begin from 2014-15.

Beijing could extend loans to purchasing countries and offer local assembly if there are sufficient orders, the source adds.

here are some recent pics of the J-10B

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZz...s/aw6C2PDo4Oo/s1600/j10b-1254313327_79489.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZz...k/CZSWtXI6Xz8/s1600/j10b-1254313327_48772.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3wZSwFvZz...c/kJFIBviFkMc/s1600/j10b-1254313327_32794.jpg

I think some one has posted this article and mr owais has posted these pics

 

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Primary armament of J-10: The SD-10 BVRAM

 

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Posting J10/B pictures


Is J-10B finally revealing itself?
Going away from the naval coverage for a second, this week we probably had one of the bigger events for PLA watchers.

Back in December, we heard about J-10B (which is the improved variant of J-10) taking off for the first time. So in the past week, we apparently got the first set of images for this plane. A lot of people may ask what's the big deal here. Well, the problem is that much of the Western media has been inflating the story of Russian military imports to China in the past 15 years. For PLAAF, I don't think I've read any report without talking about Su-27s and Su-30s that China bought. As significant as those are, the reality is that none of those planes are anywhere near as important to PLAAF as J-10. And this also explains why China waited until 2006 before unveiling the plane and did not give US permission to see J-10 even though they got permission to see and talk to the pilots of flankers + fly JH-7A. As early as 2005, we started receiving stories about J-10 crushing flankers in PLAAF's own red vs blue exercises. So, J-10B is supposed to be the one major fighter that bridges the gap between J-10A and the 5th generation plane currently under development at CAC. They say that it is suppose to be a more multi-role plane, but I think that it is still going to be the premier air superiority plane in PLA. When DoD, USAF and private organizations like RAND run their simulations, they really should use this plane instead of Su-27s.

I've delayed posting these pictures, because it is very unclear and many people thought it looked to be PSed from previous photos. But I think these pictures have lasted long enough to have validity. And in many ways, I think the picture actually was pretty much what I expected it to be. You can see J-10B in the photos

 

[PakShaheen79]

Notion of being a bridge between J-10A and 5th gen sound interesting... US also did test lots of F-22 sub systems on proven F-16s. So i will not wonder if China follow the same path.

 

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IT WAS hardly a celebration, with no one allowed to line the streets or even stand on balconies to watch the troops and tanks parade through central Beijing. Amid tight security, China marked its National Day on October 1st with an extravaganza showing off a rapidly growing arsenal of sophisticated made-in-China weaponry.

Even homing pigeons, commonly kept by Beijing residents, had to stay in their cages (for fear of bombing pigeons, apparently). Kite-flying was banned. China did not want its first military parade in a decade to be marred by any hint of the unrest that has roiled the distant regions of Tibet and Xinjiang in the past two years. Citizens were encouraged to stay at home and watch the spectacular on television.

Unlike at the parade in 1999, which featured Russian-made SU-27 fighter-jets streaking overhead, this parade, marking the 60th anniversary of the founding of communist China, involved only Chinese-built equipment. This included everything from J-10 fighters, a newly developed plane boosted as a serious competitor to America’s F-16, and missiles, including the nuclear DF-31 intercontinental ballistic one capable of hitting anywhere in America. The Pentagon says the DF-31 has been deployed in the past two or three years. Unlike China’s older silo-based strategic missiles, which would have been relatively easy to destroy before launch, the DF-31 can be concealed on the back of a lorry.

The nearly 500 pieces of hardware rumbling through Tiananmen Square past members of the ruling Politburo also included DF-15 and DF-11 short-range ballistic missiles. The Pentagon believes that more than 1,050 of these have been deployed on the coast facing Taiwan since the late 1990s. Chinese state-run television noted that the parade was the first through Beijing to feature cruise missiles. China has been developing these to counter American warships that might intervene should hostilities break out in the Taiwan Strait.

Officials were careful not to mention America or Taiwan by name. But the message was clear enough. The official news agency, Xinhua, noted that fewer troops, 8,000, took part than in 1999 (10,000). But there were more vehicles and aircraft. China has been working hard in the past decade to develop its own technologies and reduce its dependence on Russia for state-of-the-art hardware. This parade showed how far it had come.

It was also intended to show the Communist Party’s own strength at a time of global economic crisis. “Today, a socialist China geared toward modernisation, the world and the future stands rock firm in the east”, said President Hu Jintao in a speech. On the vast expanse of Tiananmen Square before him, tens of thousands of students flipped coloured cards to form phrases such as “obey the party’s command” and “be loyal to the party”. Even the weather paid heed. After several days of smog and occasional drizzle, the sky over Beijing turned a clear blue.

It was Mr Hu’s first military parade in Beijing as commander-in-chief and his last before he steps down as party leader in 2012 and as president in 2013. Marchers displayed some of his favourite slogans, such as his pledge to build a “harmonious society”. With Beijing full of security personnel, few would have been convinced that he has made much progress.
China's National Day: Party like it's '49 | The Economist

 

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as far as i understand from the discussion above we cannot say that J10 will eventually turn out to be a fifth generation plane but what can be said is that it surely is going to play a pivtol role in the development of a fifth generation by providing the chines aeronautical industry with a platform of there own where then can check there systems and can modifiy it to analyse various techniques. also the technical experties gained in thies project may well prove fruitfull!

 

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as far as i understand from the discussion above we cannot say that J10 will eventually turn out to be a fifth generation plane but what can be said is that it surely is going to play a pivtol role in the development of a fifth generation by providing the chines aeronautical industry with a platform of there own where then can check there systems and can modifiy it to analyse various techniques. also the technical experties gained in thies project may well prove fruitfull!

Yes we can...The J-10 is NOT a fifth-generation fighter.

 

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Now that looks like a big antenna and is going to be ab AESA. It must also put things in prospective why time line for J-10B in PAF is set around 2014-15.

 

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Now that looks like a big antenna and is going to be ab AESA. It must also put things in prospective why time line for J-10B in PAF is set around 2014-15.

I highly dough China will be able to produce entirely new AESA radar on its own capable as any other 4.5 generation MRCA without a product to work from.

 

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I highly dough China will be able to produce entirely new AESA radar on its own capable as any other 4.5 generation MRCA without a product to work from.

Any idea who provide

-Nuclear subs to China to work from
-ICBMs to China to work from
-Anti Sat tech to China to work from
-Cruise Missiles to China to work from

 

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I highly dough China will be able to produce entirely new AESA radar on its own capable as any other 4.5 generation MRCA without a product to work from.

that's the main key china can close the tech gap with the west in the shot period of time
guys i can promise you
in next ten years you will see less and less copy weapon made by china
the reason is innovation cost a lot more money than copy and improving.
from late 70s to last 90s we cut a lot our military budget to build our home town to do education to increase our GDP
and now we got the money and the technician to do innovation.
so thanks to deng xiao ping's reformation and opening policy
after 30 years we finally got the strength to play the game with the west.

 

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that's the main key china can close the tech gap with the west in the shot period of time
guys i can promise you
in next ten years you will see less and less copy weapon made by china
the reason is innovation cost a lot more money than copy and improving.
from late 70s to last 90s we cut a lot our military budget to build our home town to do education to increase our GDP
and now we got the money and the technician to do innovation.
so thanks to deng xiao ping's reformation and opening policy
after 30 years we finally got the strength to play the game with the west.

Thanks buddy... thats exactly what i am trying to say. China needs some time to improve its military technology "indigenously". Lets give china about 20-30 years and i can confidently say their technology will be par with western without even copying the way how they have really advanced. and like you have said about the GDP.. heck with that GDP even western companies would wana invest or even run away from their country to help china.
But to say that today china has mastered technology and are on par with west is no right.