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Changing times: Ijtihad and other questions Muslims must revisit

Stop ordering people around here what they SHOULD do regarding matters of their faith. There is no compulsion in religion and everyone is free to decide how they should interpret their faith. If ISIS, Taliban, Hamas are given free hand to interpret their Islamic religion as of barbaric throat cutters, then ijtihadis must also be allowed to interpret Islam in a more liberal and progressive way. If the interpretation of Islam by terrorist extremists is still Muslim, then same goes for those who interpret it more modernly.


Its called Maudidism. Rationalism in Islam ended with the advent of Ash'ari school of thought:
Ash'ari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


When ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Hamas or other terror organisations commit barbaric acts of murder in the name of jihad, there are no violent demonstrations against their unislamic actions in the Muslim world. But God forbid if some Kafir draws a picture of prophet Muhammad (SAW) or depicts him in a movie negatively. Only then there are mass riots in Islamic world. What a bunch of brainless hypocrites!


LOL. Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad made several prophecies regarding Pakistan which all came true including dismemberment of Pakistan into Bangladesh and West Pakistan:
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad: The Man Who Knew The Future Of Pakistan Before Its Creation, Books and Documents, Shorish Kashmiri, Matbooat Chattan, Lahore, New Age Islam

He was first president of India and cannot be compared with irrational, narrow-minded bigot like Maudidi who envisioned and forced his followers into practicing near totalitarian view of Islam:



Abul A'la Maududi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So there goes all your admiration for that lunatic who could not distinguish between the matters of state and religion. Jinnah's vision for Pakistan was a secular democracy based on Islamic principles, not on the totalitarian principles of Maududi. Furthermore, this Maududi was against the creation of Pakistan in the first place, and when it was formed anyway by the die hard contributions of Qaid-e-Azam, he moved to Pakistan in order to turn into his concept of 'Islamic State' which was no different than the one found in Iran or in Iraq (ISIS) today. He started his extremist movement with anti-Ahmadiyya agitation that led to riots in Lahore, forcing military to intervene in national politics for the first time:


Abul A'la Maududi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you see military of Pakistan in 1953 was still secular as envisioned by Jinnah and did not distinguish between different interpretations of Islamic faith when it comes to the matters of state and security. Maududi was sentenced to death for causing religious riots in the provisional capital, yet he was pardoned by supposedly Saudi pressure. Had the sentence been carried out, our beloved Pakistan would not be in the extremist mess as it is today.

43 years later after the dismemberment of Pakistan into Bangladesh, courts sentenced leaders of Jamaat-e-Islami to death for their role in mass rape, killings and other war crimes during war of independence in 1971:


BBC News - Bangladesh Islamist leader Motiur Rahman Nizami sentenced to death
Its people like you who are bigots and your knowlege off Islam is worse than Abu Juhal and Abdullah bin Ubai they knew Islam was part off state and is complete system that is why they stood against and fought HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and his companions
 
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ISLAM GIVES WOMEN FULL RIGHTS.
THEY CAN PRAY IN MASJIDS IF THEY LIKE
ISLAM DOES HAVE A FEMINIST INTREPRETATION, AS IT GIVES FULL RIGHTS TO WOMEN.
it is just us and those extremist Mullahs who dont let them have rights that Islam gave them
 
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Secularism is kufr those who consider Islam just a religion their knowledge off Islam is worse than Abu Juhal

LOL. So you are against Jinnah's Pakistan?

I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslimcommunity, because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shia's, Sunnis and so on, and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalis, Madrasis and so on, will vanish. Indeed if you ask me, this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free people long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time, but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the state. As you know, history shows that in England, conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some states in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days where there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one state. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do not exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the nation.

Now I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state.
Jinnah, August 11, 1947 –chairing the constituent assembly.

The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims—Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.
Broadcast talk to the people of the United States on Pakistan recorded February, 1948.

How many Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Qadianis and Parsis are playing their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan today, you moron?
 
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LOL. So you are against Jinnah's Pakistan?


Jinnah, August 11, 1947 –chairing the constituent assembly.


Broadcast talk to the people of the United States on Pakistan recorded February, 1948.

How many Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Qadianis and Parsis are playing their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan today, you moron?
bro that i exactly what Islam says, Islam says to keep balance in everything, it gives rights to Non Muslims just like Jinnah wanted, so he did not want a secular Pakistan, he wanted a Pakistan with the real Islam, not extremist Islam, nor secular
 
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Its people like you who are bigots and your knowlege off Islam is worse than Abu Juhal and Abdullah bin Ubai they knew Islam was part off state and is complete system that is why they stood against and fought HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW and his companions

SO Qaid-e-Azam was Abu Jahal because he advocated for a secular Pakistan?
 
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bro that i exactly what Islam says, Islam says to keep balance in everything, it gives rights to Non Muslims just like Jinnah wanted, so he did not want a secular Pakistan, he wanted a Pakistan with the real Islam, not extremist Islam, nor secular
Where is this so-called "real Islam" practiced today or even practiced in the past? I know practically no examples of non-Muslims in Islamic societies being treated like equal citizens as is the case in secular democracies of the West?
 
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ISLAM GIVES WOMEN FULL RIGHTS.
THEY CAN PRAY IN MASJIDS IF THEY LIKE
ISLAM DOES HAVE A FEMINIST INTREPRETATION, AS IT GIVES FULL RIGHTS TO WOMEN.
it is just us and those extremist Mullahs who dont let them have rights that Islam gave them

State administration has nothing to do with a citizen's personal religion. A State is an administrative body not a religious one. Failure to understand this basic concept led to idiots like Maududi getting millions of brainwashed followers.
 
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State administration has nothing to do with a citizen's personal religion. A State is an administrative body not a religious one. Failure to understand this basic concept led to idiots like Maududi getting millions of brainwashed followers.
i agree with you bro, but some state institutions are sensitive so they should remain with some Muslim, such as the President or Prime Minister, as for other posts such as judges, army personnel or police, no problem
 
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I read it but can't understand how Islamicized Pakistan would grant equal rights to all its minorities as the majority?
dude, i am talking about real Islam, Islam gives equal rights to Non Muslims, no? like Madinah, Jews and specially Christians lived there happily, no?
 
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Where is this so-called "real Islam" practiced today or even practiced in the past? I know practically no examples of non-Muslims in Islamic societies being treated like equal citizens as is the case in secular democracies of the West?
Real Islam existed during the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) the four Caliphs and even to an extent some time after that
 
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i agree with you bro, but some state institutions are sensitive so they should remain with some Muslim, such as the President or Prime Minister, as for other posts such as judges, army personnel or police, no problem
I disagree. Post of the President or Prime Minister has NOTHING to do with the position holder's personal faith. Some say Barack Hussein Obama is crypto-Muslim. It doesn't make him a BAD president. If a Hindu, Christian or even Qadiani is capable of leading the country, why not give him / her a chance? Why do we HAVE to bring in the Islamic question here anyway?
 
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dude, i am talking about real Islam, Islam gives equal rights to Non Muslims, no? like Madinah, Jews and specially Christians lived there happily, no?
NO! Ancient Jewish tribes of Medina were expelled, massacred by the Muslims. Later Khyber wars led to more Jewish deaths. Read Jewish sources on that part of history to get the real picture. You cannot just read Muslim sources and say hey every Jew was happy living under prophet Muhammad (SAW) rule in Medina.
MEDINA - JewishEncyclopedia.com
 
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I disagree. Post of the President or Prime Minister has NOTHING to do with the position holder's personal faith. Some say Barack Hussein Obama is crypto-Muslim. It doesn't make him a BAD president. If a Hindu, Christian or even Qadiani is capable of leading the country, why not give him / her a chance? Why do we HAVE to bring in the Islamic question here anyway?
because Pakistan IS an Islamic state, bring a Muslim to the post of PM in Israel, or a Muslim to the post of President in USA, or a Muslim in India? all countries are based on some religion, so Pakistan is and will remain the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan
 
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