Chances of Iran Getting T-50

[SQ8]

well that is sad . but you know whats even sadder ? to desperately make fun of other's hard work simply because you can't keep up with them .

there is no comparison needed . comparing iran to others in ME is nothing but a hilarious notion . in what aspect ? Science ? culture ? power ? stability ?

so yeah , we can tolerate criticism coming from anyone . but we cannot tolerate being mocked , especially by people who cannot produce the same cardboard fighter with kenwood sound system .

Hard work?
No other ME nation is making cardboard fighters... because no other ME nation is currently the odd pariah making claims of cardboard fighters that supposedly flew. Other nations dont make cardboard fighters, they make those that fly or actually do something.

Iran is the joke of the aviation R&D world because of that cardboard stunt. Sad how from the days of where it was the leader in the aerospace industry in the region to today where its industry is being a mockery by its own rulers for propaganda purposes.

 

[srshkmr]

I don't really think money is an issue here, the problem is that Russians will never deliver.

Is that your wolf?

That is Husky

 

[SOHEIL]

Guys ... there is a rabbit inside the hat !!!

 

[IRAN 1802]

Iran should built aircrafts and not buy them.

well that is sad . but you know whats even sadder ? to desperately make fun of other's hard work simply because you can't keep up with them .

there is no comparison needed . comparing iran to others in ME is nothing but a hilarious notion . in what aspect ? Science ? culture ? power ? stability ?

so yeah , we can tolerate criticism coming from anyone . but we cannot tolerate being mocked , especially by people who cannot produce the same cardboard fighter with kenwood sound system .

Bro do not waste your time.

 

[Arminkh]

Looking at the developments in Iran military for the last decade it is easy to see that Air Force is not the first priority in Iran's defense strategy. So I can't see Iran going after any foreign purchases to renew its fleet.

Furthermore, as others have already mentioned, for a country like Iran, buying the weapons is never a good choice because in the day of need, there is no guarantee that the supplying country would honor the service and part supply agreement. Just look at Russia and France over recent Mistral purchases. I don't know who was the wise guy that thought Russia should buy these vessels instead of building them but however, Russians are learning the lessons that we learned once during the Iran-Iraq war and then over S-300 issue with Russia for the 2nd time. Actually I am enjoying watching Russia going through what Iran went through. What goes around comes back around.

Air force is essential in an offensive operation but for a defensive one, strong missile and AD systems will do the work with much lower cost. I think whoever has worked out Iran's defense strategy knew what he was doing.

 

[SOHEIL]

@yavar

 

[Echo_419]

You said it all bro. couldn't agree more. Would have given you a positive rating on this comment if I knew how to do it.lol being a U.S ally, a country often benefits more than being a Russian ally any day.

You sure on that one my friend

 

[Daneshmand]

As you said it's all about the so-called national interest, that's why I'm hammering away that we need to rely upon our capabilities the point is no one will come to our aid in time of troubles and hours of need ... remember Iran-Iraq war.
The other day Russia DoS announced that due to conflicts btw Russia and west on Ukraine( sanctions imposed on Russia) nuclear talks could be hurt:

Russia: US Sanctions May Hurt Talks on Iran, Syria

Look at Iraq, the US has signed security agreement with Iraqi gov. but they did nothing till ISIL approached Kurdistan and now it's airdropping weapons for ISIL( they say it's not intentionally, but this excuse is good for one mistake not several times in different locations) not to mention long delay in delivering Iraqi F-16s
Iraq to Demand US Explanation Over Delayed F-16 Deliveries

See putting all your eggs in one basket would end up this.( I know you support indigenous and domestic projects).

By the way It's ok to purchase from the other countries whether technology or fighter jet but there is a but a big but:

1) Domestic projects should not be canceled.
2) It should be a technology transfer, not simply purchasing sth.
3) And national interest should be priority.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20141224/1016201661.html

I agree with your points. Purchase should not be at the cost of internal projects. Not at all. But if the opportunity shows itself, Iran must keep an open mind and not take an isolationist policy. That is all I am saying.

J-31 is a better choice.

Maybe, depends if Chinese are interested to cooperate in this regard. The other problem is that T-50 is ahead in development stage than J-31.

 

[The Last of us]

Hard work?
No other ME nation is making cardboard fighters... because no other ME nation is currently the odd pariah making claims of cardboard fighters that supposedly flew. Other nations dont make cardboard fighters, they make those that fly or actually do something.

Iran is the joke of the aviation R&D world because of that cardboard stunt. Sad how from the days of where it was the leader in the aerospace industry in the region to today where its industry is being a mockery by its own rulers for propaganda purposes.

Iran unveils a mockup and you kids are still moaning over it. Qaher was nothing but a mockup as stated by Iran itself countless times, even recently it was stated it was just a mockcup. Do you have a problem understanding this or do you enjoy trolling? 'senior mod'

 

[$@rJen]

Unit costs US$47.5-57 million

source : Defence International 2011/02 P.35 [official Russian estimate]

Sukhoi PAK FA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sukhoi T-50 PAK FA » Fighter Aircraft

that's only for the Russian Airforce and Navy, exported version costs from 80-100mil maybe more than 100mil from 2020....

 

[haman10]

that's only for the Russian Airforce and Navy, exported version costs from 80-100mil maybe more than 100mil from 2020....

Tnx but that sounds like just a rumor . do u have any source to confirm that ?

 

[Arminkh]

Investing in 5th generation jet fighters is a challenge even for more economically capable countries. Read the article below. F-35 has an estimated operational cost of $21,000 per hour! Rafal is at $16,500. It is insane. That's why Iran should only invest on home built jet fighters. It will substantially decrease the maintenance costs and at least that money is spent inside Iran's economy and not in the deep pockets of a foreign country.

Gripen operational cost lowest of all western fighters: Jane’s | StratPost

 

[$@rJen]

Tnx but that sounds like just a rumor . do u have any source to confirm that ?

ya..its given in wiki our FGFA costs 100mil and that's the one going to be the export version correct me if wrong)

 

[Tomyris]

to defend the country iran must buy aircraft to replace its fighter fleet viellisant ..... maintenance of current fighter is more expensive than bought new ...
t-50 it will be from 2025 to 2030 .... and we have planes very quickly and the local project is not sufficiently develop iran must order su-30/35 to replace the F-14 and mig-35 or FC-31 ... but before iran should try to have risen to emabrgo because no country will accept to sell us aircraft ...

Investing in 5th generation jet fighters is a challenge even for more economically capable countries. Read the article below. F-35 has an estimated operational cost of $21,000 per hour! Rafal is at $16,500. It is insane. That's why Iran should only invest on home built jet fighters. It will substantially decrease the maintenance costs and at least that money is spent inside Iran's economy and not in the deep pockets of a foreign country.

Gripen operational cost lowest of all western fighters: Jane’s | StratPost

not to build a hunter it takes skill and a great experience..et iran did pas..aucun Iranian fighter will compete with the Russian fighter, American and European ... iran absolutely must control PassErr su-30/35 has russia if we want to have a powerful defense After we can launch programe house but in the meantime we must replace our aerial fleet that will biento obselete and we will not have time to develop a mighty hunter

 

[SBD-3]

No.

And,Carlo Kopp is the joke of the aviation industry.

His every single "analysis" ends at "Australia is making a big mistake by taking JSF, better ask US to provide us F-22".
If he had his will, he would have written a similar analysis depicting Mig-21/25/29 to be superior to JSF and only inferior to F-22. He is obsessed with F-22, always daydreaming that US would allow an export to Australia.