Chances of Iran Getting T-50

[Arya Desa]

PAK FA is the best option because of Israeli avionics. Israel is very good at high tech stuff
Nxt T-50 is also really good but lacking the exceptional Israeli avionics
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Last is anything chinese unless you want to lose a war. They are untested and unreliable. I'd honestly rather have a Tejas than a J-20 or 31 and you know how crappy the Tejas is.

 

[Siavash]

did you know according of this Resolution , UNSC should approve anything that we want to buy ... so if a country like France doesn't want that Russia sell anything to us , she can simply vote against it ...

just what kind of deal this Zarif signed ...

Up to 5 years on all things and defensive Arms is excluded so S-300 is not against it. But if Russia wants to sell Su-XX an it is used in attack formation (act of aggression) then yes it has to be verified by the deal breakers. I don't think that is an issue. Any Attack purchase now will eventually delivered in 5 years after the deal.

Zarif and Araghchi have a big work explaining all doubts in days to come otherwise so much doubt will put country in chaos ...

PAK FA is the best option because of Israeli avionics. Israel is very good at high tech stuff
Nxt T-50 is also really good but lacking the exceptional Israeli avionics
....
Last is anything chinese unless you want to lose a war. They are untested and unreliable. I'd honestly rather have a Tejas than a J-20 or 31 and you know how crappy the Tejas is.

Israeli Avionics? Sure then we will have it (Khamenei will love it just write Occupied Palestine in the export forms and its a go) I didn't know it has Israeli avionics. How come Sukhoi advertises its sell to Iran for 2022 then? Sure there is Russian or Indian alternative?

If it has ISraeli Avionics then the abbreviation is SNAFU for Iran or equivalently PAK FA..ked up in Farsi-Pinglish

 

[بلندر]

Up to 5 years on all things and defensive Arms is excluded so S-300 is not against it. But if Russia wants to sell Su-XX an it is used in attack formation (act of aggression) then yes it has to be verified by the deal breakers. I don't think that is an issue. Any Attack purchase now will eventually delivered in 5 years after the deal.
Zarif and Araghchi have a big work explaining all doubts in days to come otherwise so much doubt will put country in chaos ...

this is about any military deal ...

the problem is that both of them ( Iraqchi and Zarif ) a are pretty arrogant and they are labeling "who is not in their side" as morons , blockhead and ...

 

[Serpentine]

did you know according of this Resolution , UNSC should approve anything that we want to buy ... so if a country like France doesn't want that Russia sell anything to us , she can simply vote against it ...

just what kind of deal this Zarif signed ...

For 5 years. Right now if we order 50 PAKFA, we would not receive them any sooner than 5 years.

I think these 5 years can be a blessing for us. With the proper money pouring in arms industry, there is a chance for great progress in fields we are already lacking, instead of rushing to buy foreign arms like our southern Arab neighbors. This 5 years can present a great opportunity to advance a mature arms industry program.

About Air force, I think a big number of Su-35s, Su-34s and Mig-35s can be a good choice for us after 5 years to prop up the air force.

IMO, Su-35 is currently the most advanced 4++ jet fighter in the world and is better than anything the west can offer. That's my personal opinion though.

 

[بلندر]

For 5 years. Right now if we order 50 PAKFA, we would not receive them any sooner than 5 years.

I think these 5 years can be a blessing for us. With the proper money pouring in arms industry, there is a chance for great progress in fields we are already lacking, instead of rushing to buy foreign arms like our southern Arab neighbors. This 5 years can present a great opportunity to advance a mature arms industry program.

About Air force, I think a big number of Su-35s, Su-34s and Mig-35s can be a good choice for us after 5 years to prop up the air force.

IMO, Su-35 is currently the most advanced 4++ jet fighter in the world and is better than anything the west can offer. That's my personal opinion though.

Su-47 Berkut is better choice for Iran .... its cheaper and probably simpler for Iran maintaining it ... Russians are working on it in silence .... just like Their Armata Tank , you should except them to unveil advance version of it in future ...

 

[Siavash]

this is about any military deal ...

the problem is that both of them ( Iraqchi and Zarif ) a are pretty arrogant and they are labeling "who is not in their side" as morons , blockhead and ...

Listen Minute 24:00 for missile ban and minute 25:45 afterwards for Arm dals ban explained by Zarif. It is like what I said. StilI will read the deal in English again and get back to you. Let me know if you are satisfied. it is interesting to know other opinions.

somehow it doesn;t allow me to post link but it is in Tabnak.

 

[danger007]

For 5 years. Right now if we order 50 PAKFA, we would not receive them any sooner than 5 years.

I think these 5 years can be a blessing for us. With the proper money pouring in arms industry, there is a chance for great progress in fields we are already lacking, instead of rushing to buy foreign arms like our southern Arab neighbors. This 5 years can present a great opportunity to advance a mature arms industry program.

About Air force, I think a big number of Su-35s, Su-34s and Mig-35s can be a good choice for us after 5 years to prop up the air force.

IMO, Su-35 is currently the most advanced 4++ jet fighter in the world and is better than anything the west can offer. That's my personal opinion though.

Why don't you opt for JF 17 or J 100B or J 31...

Up to 5 years on all things and defensive Arms is excluded so S-300 is not against it. But if Russia wants to sell Su-XX an it is used in attack formation (act of aggression) then yes it has to be verified by the deal breakers. I don't think that is an issue. Any Attack purchase now will eventually delivered in 5 years after the deal.

Zarif and Araghchi have a big work explaining all doubts in days to come otherwise so much doubt will put country in chaos ...



Israeli Avionics? Sure then we will have it (Khamenei will love it just write Occupied Palestine in the export forms and its a go) I didn't know it has Israeli avionics. How come Sukhoi advertises its sell to Iran for 2022 then? Sure there is Russian or Indian alternative?

If it has ISraeli Avionics then the abbreviation is SNAFU for Iran or equivalently PAK FA..ked up in Farsi-Pinglish

He is not aware of Israel and Iran relation.. don't mind

I was looking for threads with T-50 analysis and I found this one to dig up. I read a lot of problems with T-50 and that the indian investors are not happy with it and its design. What is your opinion about it and should Iran invest in buying T-50 or J-20 from China.

Unlike T-50 , chinese will never let you know.. their struggle or problems facing in the development of J-20...

you made a huge mistake, stop worshiping their western hunter are not perfect, russia forth good combat aircraft and the su-35 and even a beast europe and be impressed by this aircraft
.Algeria possesses of Russian aircraft and are effective.

cooperation between iran and russia and strong, in the 5 years emabrgo will be lifted and t-50 will mie on the market, I think that Iran could have bought 100 150 unit. there may be the financial problem but iran could participate in the project to be the first country bought the pakfa.

I do not know if you was to couran but Avio 5G are moin expensive thatthe previous generation.

aging maintain a fleet like ours and more expensive .. if you put a retirement mid-29 / F-14 / F-4 / F-1 / su-24 to replace the pakfa the price will be greatly reduced .

150 PAKFA su-34 and 36 there will be a repdoutable air force, it will also negotiate detach pieces of maintenance and technology center, then with the Russian experiment was to develop a lightweight 5G fighter like the F-35 and FC-31.

within 5 to 10 years possible

It will be India... later other follows..

 

[kollang]

Su-34 is not for sell and Su-47 was never supposed to be a operational fighter jet.

For now we should import Few squadrons of Su-35 and Su-30 and import some high tech engines to ride on indigenous fighters.

Also as Ground force requested we should import some Armata or T-90MS as well.

BTW the import of subsystems wont be hard no more thus instead of buying unnecessary weaponry we have to acquire subsytems that our own defence industry is unable to make.so the quality of indigenous products will increase and delievery would complete faster.

 

[haman10]

Armata

I don't think they are made for export dadashi .

T-90 is you know , not a bad option . but let's leave it at that . probably Armata is sth else .

 

[Hack-Hook]

Su-34 is not for sell and Su-47 was never supposed to be a operational fighter jet.

For now we should import Few squadrons of Su-35 and Su-30 and import some high tech engines to ride on indigenous fighters.

Also as Ground force requested we should import some Armata or T-90MS as well.

BTW the import of subsystems wont be hard no more thus instead of buying unnecessary weaponry we have to acquire subsytems that our own defence industry is unable to make.so the quality of indigenous products will increase and delievery would complete faster.

I don't think they are made for export dadashi .

T-90 is you know , not a bad option . but let's leave it at that . probably Armata is sth else .

If t90 is not suitable for indian weather then I doubt it will be suitable for iran terrian

 

[بلندر]

Su-34 is not for sell and Su-47 was never supposed to be a operational fighter jet.

For now we should import Few squadrons of Su-35 and Su-30 and import some high tech engines to ride on indigenous fighters.

Also as Ground force requested we should import some Armata or T-90MS as well.

BTW the import of subsystems wont be hard no more thus instead of buying unnecessary weaponry we have to acquire subsytems that our own defence industry is unable to make.so the quality of indigenous products will increase and delievery would complete faster.

Well , I think we just need 500-1000 AL-31 Turbofan engine and its spare parts for overhauling Tomcats ( changing weak F110 engine ) and reviving M-ATF project or continue Qaher project ...

we need at least 500-600 fighters to maintain military balance in middle east .... buying 500 Fighter is not an option ...

 

[Tomyris]

Stop saying that the need to develop local technology and do not buy anything, what I propose is only purchased the weapons that the country needs, if the American embargo and the challenge that Iran will not advantage to arm it will be small and will take a long delay.the best aircraft to defend our country and undoubtedly the su-35.je you and explain that are already radar and more powerful, are autonomy and 3500km, the engine is powerful and the very long range missile, although the west embrgo puts us in a new one will be quiet for 30 years has come about aviation.

iran bought S-300 to deter our enemy and simply remove the threat, so if we buy aircraft we strengthen our defense time to develop the local technology, its going to take us 10 or 15 years to develop a combat aircraft . Be prepared against any threat.

iran has the opportunity to participate financially to the Russian military draft and ordering engine for local project, but its become urgent to strengthen the air force, submarine order 2, and T-90 or T-14armata.

give us his powerful weapons to strengthen the defense of the country but also weapons that we can copy to strengthen our weapons.

Well , I think we just need 500-1000 AL-31 Turbofan engine and its spare parts for overhauling Tomcats ( changing weak F110 engine ) and reviving M-ATF project or continue Qaher project ...

we need at least 500-600 fighters to maintain military balance in middle east .... buying 500 Fighter is not an option ...

500 or 600? is a lot. ^^. have more in 1950.

with time there will be 200 to 300 chaseur the interviews and very expensive for new generation aircraft (4 ++ and 5G).

unless it is had mad in iran, you have to order 150 200 Russian fighter, and builds hunter mad in iran we could have a lot, but we must also find market for exported

 

[Hakan]

Iranian already has an independent aviation industry. According to reports it is developing fighters that are equivalent to the F-18 in capability. There is no need for foreign fighters as that would just make Iran dependent. What if Iran buys fighters and the nuclear deal gets sabotaged? There go billions down the drain. Besides the Qaher is being developed, earlier posts in this thread implied that there is no need to import foreign planes.

Su-34 is not for sell and Su-47 was never supposed to be a operational fighter jet.

For now we should import Few squadrons of Su-35 and Su-30 and import some high tech engines to ride on indigenous fighters.

Also as Ground force requested we should import some Armata or T-90MS as well.

BTW the import of subsystems wont be hard no more thus instead of buying unnecessary weaponry we have to acquire subsytems that our own defence industry is unable to make.so the quality of indigenous products will increase and delievery would complete faster.

You already have the Zulfiqar, its probably better than T-90 or equivalent.

 

[he-man]

IMO, Su-35 is currently the most advanced 4++ jet fighter in the world and is better than anything the west can offer. That's my personal opinion though.

The opinion is wrong.

 

[Serpentine]

The opinion is wrong.

What's your choice then? F-15? Eurofighter?