‘Chakra’ opened to 3rd eyes: India reportedly allowed US Navy to visit Russian sub

[idune]

Russia is reporting it , the submarine is not operational since August , when Russia asked for return of sub , Indian authorities slammed the sub into docks so it will remain unmovable giving them maximum time to duplicate or copy

Reference : Nuclear Sub damaged by India
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201710281058617028-india-nuclear-submarine/

Handing over secret of Russian defense tech to its enemy is not enough for india, now indians are calling Russian officials liars.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

only because they quote officel russian does not make a fake news more serious....

I dont know if any of you remeber the innocent russian girl living with their parents in Germany that was gangrapped by Syrian refugees... even the russian forgeing minister was officel blaming Germany and Chancelor Merkel on russian TV... makes bad feelings inside the russian community in Germany because they all watch RT... the German police invetigated just to learn that the so called gang rapped russian girl had bad tests in school and prevered not to go home to here dad who punish her regulary and stayed several nights with here friend... she wasn´t even in the near of a refugee... still days after the officel German police report was published the russian foreign minister blamed Germany about the gangrap on russian TV which forced Germany to send him a protestnote to stop this bullshit...

Lately 8 foreign minister warned from dangerous russian fake news....

Sputnik news and RT and several other are ranked as dangerous propaganda news channel in the EU and USA.

So basically what you are trying to say sir is that it is part of the Russian government's propaganda. Well in that case this should be even more alarming for the Indians, don't you think.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If Russia gives India their latest 5th generation tech, they know the Indians will let the Americans see it.

If America gives India their latest 5th generation tech, they know the Indians will let the Russians see it.

Loyalty to everyone is the same as loyalty to no one.

 

[ShoutB]

Trust is crucial to India-Russia defence ties

The influential Russian daily Kommersant reported today on an intriguing development with ominous overtones for long-term India-Russia defence cooperation. It seems that Indian authorities gave access to a US Navy delegation of “well-trained technical specialists” to enter the top secret Russian nuclear submarine under the rubric “Project 9711″, which is on lease to Indian Navy within the framework of the so-called “special and privileged strategic partnership” between the two countries.

Apparently, the incident took place when the submarine was docked at the naval base at Vishakhapatanam while undergoing repairs. (The Indian Navy has christened the super secret Russian nuclear submarine as ‘Chakra’.) The Russian daily reported that this has been the second such serious breach of confidentiality that traditionally existed between Russia and India in defence cooperation with regard to the sharing of military technology with third parties.

In an earlier incident, a US Navy team was apparently allowed to visit the Russian-built aircraft carrier with the Indian Navy, Vikramaditya. Upon knowing about the security breach, the Russian side lodged a protest with the Indians. Obviously, that had no effect, as the latest incident involving the nuclear submarine suggests.
Unnamed Russian officials have described the Indian behavior as “outrageous.” According to Kommersant, the incident threatens to “seriously complicate negotiations both on the lease of the second nuclear submarine, and on other projects” in the field of military-technical cooperation between the two countries.

Given the high likelihood – nay, virtual certainty – that the Kommersant report is based on official Russian briefing, this must be taken as a warning from Moscow. Without going into details, Kommersant quoted Russian officials as pointing out that the incident involving the nuclear submarine is of a piece with several recent “unfriendly acts towards Russia” by the concerned Indian authorities.

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2017/11/09/trust-is-crucial-to-india-russia-defence-ties/

Every one understands that these are planted stories. Holds less value, timing pattern is explains it all.

If Russia gives India their latest 5th generation tech, they know the Indians will let the Americans see it.

If America gives India their latest 5th generation tech, they know the Indians will let the Russians see it.

Loyalty to everyone is the same as loyalty to no one.

If Russia gives it's technology to Chinese they know you will copy and sell it to US for money.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

If Russia gives India their latest 5th generation tech, they know the Indians will let the Americans see it.

If America gives India their latest 5th generation tech, they know the Indians will let the Russians see it.

Loyalty to everyone is the same as loyalty to no one.

Last I know, Russians didn't have issues in letting Chinese copy their engines, radar and what not. I guess given the shit Russia is in, they cann't deny any money coming their way.

'Loyalty'? WTF is that? Last I hear nations are only loyal to their interests... So much for Think Tank Analyst

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Loyalty'? WTF is that? Last I hear nations are only loyal to their interests... So much for Think Tank Analyst

It's a saying, genius.

By trying to balance both the USA and Russia, India has ensured that neither one will trust them with ToT on 5th generation tech.

Hell, the US won't even give India ToT on the F-16 which is a 1970's platform.

Last I know, Russians didn't have issues in letting Chinese copy their engines, radar and what not. I guess given the shit Russia is in, they cann't deny any money coming their way.

Whatever we did, it worked.

There are only two countries today that have inducted operational 5th generation fighter jets, the USA and China.

While India is still pleading for ToT on 1970's platforms like the F-16, which Lockheed Martin has already said no to.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

By trying to balance both the USA and Russia, India has ensured that neither one will trust them with ToT on 5th generation tech.

Actually we are doing this balancing act for now 70 years or so and quite successfully. We have transport planes from USA and fighters and bombers from Russia. No problem at all!

Whatever we did, it worked.

There are only two countries today that have inducted operational 5th generation fighter jets, the USA and China.

Chinese 5-th generation, yeah right! Like chinese iphone ads I keep on seeing. Keep on inducting! Hope you can make engines that last 2 weeks.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Actually we are doing this balancing act for now 70 years or so and quite successfully. We have transport planes from USA and fighters and bombers from Russia. No problem at all!

Sure, no problem until you ask for ToT.

Then, like the MMRCA disaster, India ends up buying 36 Rafale off-the-shelf with zero ToT, for almost the same price as the original deal.

Chinese 5-th generation, yeah right! Like chinese iphone ads I keep on seeing. Keep on inducting! Hope you can make engines that last 2 weeks.

The J-20 has been flying for a long time now, go check the J-20 engine thread. If you don't believe it will hold up in battle, then India is welcome to test it.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

Sure, no problem until you ask for ToT.

Then, like the MMRCA disaster, India ends up buying 36 Rafale off-the-shelf with zero ToT, for almost the same price as the original deal.

Oh we get a lot of ToT. That submarine reactor, it was a ToT. That Brahmos missile it is a ToT. Steel for making Aircraft carrier hull? ToT. Also coming soon, ASEA radar from Israel. Again ToT.

The J-20 has been flying for a long time now, go check the J-20 engine thread. If you don't believe it will hold up in battle, then India is welcome to test it.

J-20 has been flying but engine is Russian. Why do you think China bought Su-35 BM in small numbers? To get Engine and Radar. We do not need to find anything. Seems like middle east found it the hard way when they depended upon Chinese weapons.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Oh we get a lot of ToT. That submarine reactor, it was a ToT. That Brahmos missile it is a ToT. Steel for making Aircraft carrier hull? ToT. Also coming soon, ASEA radar from Israel. Again ToT.

If by ToT you mean buying it, then sure.

J-20 has been flying but engine is Russian.

Wrong, check the J-20 engine thread. Chinese government sources have said the J-20 is using a domestic engine, even Deino agrees now.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

If by ToT you mean buying it, then sure.

Well, I am not Chinese, so ToT means paying for transfer of technology. May be in China ToT means unauthorized copy .

Wrong, check the J-20 engine thread. Chinese government sources have said the J-20 is using a domestic engine, even Deino agrees now.

Trusting a bunch of Chinese zealots and sifting through tons of links from Chinese military fans who just spew un-trustworthy rumors? Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Trusting a bunch of Chinese zealots and sifting through tons of links from Chinese military fans who just spew un-trustworthy rumors? Thanks but no thanks.

LOL just check the sources from the Chinese government channels, they are all linked there.

Just because India's Tejas was the biggest disaster in the military aviation world doesn't mean everyone else is just as useless.

 

[IblinI]

LOL just check the sources from the Chinese government channels, they are all linked there.

Just because India's Tejas was the biggest disaster in the military aviation world doesn't mean everyone else is just as useless.

Why do you try to convince a ZZ?

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

Why do you try to convince a ZZ?

Because you and he are CC.

Just because India's Tejas was the biggest disaster in the military aviation world doesn't mean everyone else is just as useless.

Your source for this claim?

 

[IblinI]

Because you and he are CC.


Your source for this claim?

Your source for any claim?