CBU 105 the real threat to our armored columns

[Arsalan]

PAF already has its own Hajara Cluster Bomb. What's the chance of that becoming guided? Would be difficult to do it?

EXTREMELY difficult!!
The sub munitions it carries are sensor fused as well and are guided! This is one hell of a weapon system to have in your inventory and i am not sure if another country in the world have anything similar and on par.

 

[The Accountant]

Actually that was a pure blunder on our part,we would have let our boots on ground on yemen.After that would have been our matter,how we choose to fight and I am sure houtis are well aware of confronting PA,it wouldn't have been a fight rather our boots on ground backed by our Intelligence would have ended conflict without firing a bullet.If a fight was unavoidable still we would have been able to gain lot of time before entering fight under pretext of preparing an Intelligence Operation,but alas we failed to assess that all.

We are not mercenaries ... we should not kill people for money ... for God sake ... try to be a proud muslim ...

Yep. Each time Pakistan spoke to Textron, it got anything but the CBU-105. In fact, Pakistan has cleared every Textron business with a sale (e.g. Bell Helicopter AH-1Z, King Air 350 and Cessna) and spent more in that company than most overseas customers since 2010.

But whats the reason ... why are we not getting our hand on this baby ? Is there any chinese or european alternative to this ?

There is a Chinese version of it too..
The CBU-105 need air superiority to be established first, otherwise the fighters carrying it won't make it till the Tank columns..

No need of air superiority ... it will be enough to stop our army thrust into enemy's territory ... so in cases where we have upper hand and try to aquire enemy territory cbu105 are sufficient to stop us infact to destroy us ...

 

[Sine Nomine]

We are not mercenaries ... we should not kill people for money ... for God sake ... try to be a proud muslim ...

I haven't said anything about attacking houtis.

 

[The Accountant]

I haven't said anything about attacking houtis.

Bro but once we are on ground we have to act as per situation ... and its not about killing ,, its about agree to kill ... We are good to not to take part in sacetarian or racial war ... it has no geniune cause .. the only way we should support is for peace keeping mission accepted by both KSA and Iran ...

 

[Dazzler]

Son,


Hi,

It is a piece of sh-it missile system---there were far advanced systems available from china when this was procured.

Show me a modern SAM system achieving this feat...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...de-2000-missile-achieves-97-success-rate.html

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

EXTREMELY difficult!!
The sub munitions it carries are sensor fused as well and are guided! This is one hell of a weapon system to have in your inventory and i am not sure if another country in the world have anything similar and on par.

Guided skeets (i.e. the triple layered guided puck munitions) are probably very difficult to emulate, but they might be able to try adding a guidance seeker, rocket and control surfaces to the Hafr-1 or Hafr-2. It mean less munitions than what the CBU-105 can deploy, but it might get the job done.

 

[war&peace]

Show me a modern SAM system achieving this feat...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...de-2000-missile-achieves-97-success-rate.html

That is indeed an exceptional record i.e. 97% hits is no small feat.

Guided skeets (i.e. the triple layered guided puck munitions) are probably very difficult to emulate, but they might be able to try adding a guidance seeker, rocket and control surfaces to the Hafr-1 or Hafr-2. It mean less munitions than what the CBU-105 can deploy, but it might get the job done.

H2 and H4 are great SOW with guidance and long range gliding capabilities. These are good candidates for converting in CBU-105 like weapon.

 

[Dazzler]

Guided skeets (i.e. the triple layered guided puck munitions) are probably very difficult to emulate, but they might be able to try adding a guidance seeker, rocket and control surfaces to the Hafr-1 or Hafr-2. It mean less munitions than what the CBU-105 can deploy, but it might get the job done.

Go for these, oh, these are a done deal already.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

That is indeed an exceptional record i.e. 97% hits is no small feat.


H2 and H4 are great SOW with guidance and long range gliding capabilities. These are good candidates for converting in CBU-105 like weapon.

It'd need to be a dispenser. I think the NORINCO GB6 would be the likeliest candidate considering it was designed to drop sub-munitions (and from stand-off range). In fact, it's pretty much what Pakistan would need other than the guided sub-munitions.

 

[The Accountant]

Go for these, oh, these are a done deal already.

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Are these equivallent to CBU105? It appears to me more like stand off range cluster munition ... correct me if I am worng

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Go for these, oh, these are a done deal already.

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That's the dispenser - i.e. 1/2 of what's necessary. Pakistan still needs the actual guided "skeets" - i.e. micro-rockets with their own dual laser-infrared seeker and aft propellant.

If they can't figure out the puck-shape design of the BLU-108, they should consider shrinking the HAFR into 15-20 kg munitions, fitting dual-seekers onto them, and then putting 12 of those into a single GB6.

 

[Dazzler]

Are these equivallent to CBU105? It appears to me more like stand off range cluster munition ... correct me if I am worng

Not exactly the same thing, but having a JSOW capable of hitting as far as 150 kms is worth something.

 

[The Accountant]

That's the dispenser - i.e. 1/2 of what's necessary. Pakistan still needs the actual guided "skeets" - i.e. micro-rockets with their own dual laser-infrared seeker and aft propellant.

If they can't figure out the puck-shape design of the BLU-108, they should consider shrinking the HAFR into 15-20 kg munitions, fitting dual-seekers onto them, and then putting 12 of those into a single GB6.

But I think Pakistan is simply have no experience in seeker .techonology ... I am surprised if China has no alternative of CBU105 ...

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

From what I can tell, there are several stages to the CBU-105.

The CBU-105 contains 10 BLU-108.

Each BLU-108 is formed of 4 puck-shaped munitions - i.e. Skeet - each weighing 2.5 kg.

Each Skeet has a parachute, rocket propellant and dual-infrared and laser seeker. The seeker itself contains a database for different targets, which it will recognize on the ground.

Pakistan has access to a comparable dispenser to the CBU-105 in the NORINCO GB6. The issue is the BLU-108 and Skeet. Packing a guidance suite, parachute and propellant into a puck is very difficult.

While Pakistan may not be able to pack 40 sub-munitions into a GB6, it might be able to push 10 by miniaturizing the HAFR (aka MBDA Durandal copy). Fit this HAFR-mini with a parachute, rocket and guidance suite, and it can target a tank (enabling one GB6 to engage 10 tanks). It would float with the parachute and wait to find a high-value target (from its database), once seen it will set off its propellant and engage from the top.

Note: they can collaborate with China, Turkey and/or South Africa for the seeker technology.

The next step would be to replace the HAFR-mini with two smaller cylindrical munitions (each with the same core features of the HAFR-mini -i.e. rocket, parachute and dual-mode seeker. This will result in 20 guided sub-munitions.

The final step would be to have four Skeets.

 

[The Accountant]

From what I can tell, there are several stages to the CBU-105.

The CBU-105 contains 10 BLU-108.

Each BLU-108 is formed of 4 puck-shaped munitions - i.e. Skeet - each weighing 2.5 kg.

Each Skeet has a parachute, rocket propellant and dual-infrared and laser seeker. The seeker itself contains a database for different targets, which it will recognize on the ground.

Pakistan has access to a comparable dispenser to the CBU-105 in the NORINCO GB6. The issue is the BLU-108 and Skeet. Packing a guidance suite, parachute and propellant into a puck is very difficult.

While Pakistan may not be able to pack 40 sub-munitions into a GB6, it might be able to push 10 by miniaturizing the HAFR (aka MBDA Durandal copy). Fit this HAFR-mini with a parachute, rocket and guidance suite, and it can target a tank (enabling one GB6 to engage 10 tanks). It would float with the parachute and wait to find a high-value target (from its database), once seen it will set off its propellant and engage from the top.

Note: they can collaborate with China, Turkey and/or South Africa for the seeker technology.

The next step would be to replace the HAFR-mini with two smaller cylindrical munitions (each with the same core features of the HAFR-mini -i.e. rocket, parachute and dual-mode seeker. This will result in 20 guided sub-munitions.

The final step would be to have four Skeets.

I wonder what type of seeker we have in raad (antiship version) ... May be infrared seeking technology is easy to grab but issue is miniturisation of such seeker ...

Anyways thanks for such a detailed response ...