Candidates for Mig-21 replacement in Vietnam

[ANPP]

* Engine
* Avionics, * Ejection Seats

Most avionics is already developed by DRDO & incorporated in LCA.

* Radar

Although serious failure for DRDO. But now Isreal is helping us, which will be mostlymade in INDIA. DRDO also made radar for AEW&C, now they just need to miniature it.

* WVRAAMs

Right now,ok no.

* BVRAAMs

Are you ever heard about Astra?

* PGMs

It is also developed by DRDO & now IAF also use these laser guided bombs.

* IFR probe

VPAF dont have any air refuelar right now. So they also dont need it.

 

[chiengolee]

No body really know how much Vietnam's defense budget is. They never report the real number. They spent from 2.5% to 6% of GDP on military in year 2012. US reported was 5.2 billions. Expert guested Vietnam spent 6 billion. They reported 2.4 billion

 

[rockstarIN]

* Engine
* Avionics
* Radar
* Ejection Seats
* WVRAAMs
* BVRAAMs
* PGMs
* IFR probe

Are NOT Indian made, and you call it an Indian fighter?, you wont be able to export it because of so many reasons and strings attached to it.

Why dont you visit LCA page and get updated yourself once in a while.

 

[Luftwaffe]

chiengolee and indians....stop derailing Thread, Topic is "Candidates for Mig-21 replacement in Vietnam".

Only sukhoi is the candidate, as stated Sweden won't sell Gripens to any country having disputes, Neither will US.

Replacing 8 squadrons is not an easy task slowly gradually and when cash is available, it is a long process and could take 15+ Years. Technology plays a vital role A single modern su-27 eliminates the need of 2-3 mig-21s.

Lastly don't include LCA it is a struggling project indian navy and air force would induct them as face saving perhaps LCA would be a good advance trainer then BAE Hawk too bad corrupts have ordered 132-189 Hawks and killed LCA as a potential Trainer.

 

[rockstarIN]

chiengolee and indians....stop derailing Thread, Topic is "Candidates for Mig-21 replacement in Vietnam".

Only sukhoi is the candidate, as stated Sweden won't sell Gripens to any country having disputes, Neither will US.

Replacing 8 squadrons is not an easy task slowly gradually and when cash is available, it is a long process and could take 15+ Years. Technology plays a vital role A single modern su-27 eliminates the need of 2-3 mig-21s.

Lastly don't include LCA it is a struggling project indian navy and air force would induct them as face saving perhaps LCA would be a good advance trainer then BAE Hawk too bad corrupts have ordered 132-189 Hawks and killed LCA as a potential Trainer.

Big fail, then explain me why did we order new GE engines if it is for a face saving exercise of 40 initial LCA order?

Believe it or not, LCA will be a strong contender for replacement of Migs.

 

[IndianArmy]

* Engine
* Avionics
* Radar
* Ejection Seats
* WVRAAMs
* BVRAAMs
* PGMs
* IFR probe

Are NOT Indian made, and you call it an Indian fighter?, you wont be able to export it because of so many reasons and strings attached to it.

* Engine - India has to rely on US until Kaveri is ready.
* Avionics - Defence Avionics Research Establishment and Defence Electronics Research Laboratory
* Radar - JV between LRDE and ELTA( Although LRDE has an Indiginious varient )
* Ejection Seats - Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE)
* WVRAAMs - Imported( We never claimed we developed the missiles )
* BVRAAMs - Astra
* PGMs - DRDO Sudarshan
* IFR probe - Check thoroughly, even your F-16's might be carrying an HAL developed Probe.

 

[Black Widow]

* Engine
* Avionics
* Radar
* Ejection Seats
* WVRAAMs
* BVRAAMs
* PGMs
* IFR probe

Are NOT Indian made, and you call it an Indian fighter?, you wont be able to export it because of so many reasons and strings attached to it.

Find answer Inlined...
* Engine : GE 404/414
* Avionics: Indian
* Radar: Indian (Hardware is from Israel)
* Ejection Seats: Indian (Certified by martine becker UK)
* WVRAAMs: Russian/Indian (Weapons are not part of fighter plane)
* BVRAAMs : Russian/Indian (Weapons are not part of fighter plane)
* PGMs : I don't know wht is it.
* IFR probe : I don't know what it is.


* Landing gear : Idnian
* HuD : Indian
* Chauff and flares: Indian
* Airframe : Indian (Many country copied design form Israel USSR, USA and german)
* Flight Control : Indian
* self protection: Indian
* Flight simulator: Idnian

 

[Viet]

Gripen is not for sale to any country with disputes [hindustan was an exception].

The only choice vietnam has is a slow phase out of mig-21 and induction of su-27/su-30 in good numbers over the next 15+ Years. I highly doubt vietman would maintain the 144 number to number replacement but the number could end up to 4 squadrons over the 15+ Years period.

I agree. It is not easy for a developing country like Vietnam to have a modern airforce. Gripen is not a good choice even if Sweden can sell to Vietnam.

The most likely scenario is Vietnam gradually buys more some dozen Russian jet fighters. As for the MIGs, as long as they can fly, they are still good for air patrol and weapons platform for ground attack and support missions.

 

[Viet]

Given the relationship of Vietnam and China, I expect US to offload some of its earlier generation (block 52 or so) F 16s here.

no go for US jet fighters: weapons embargo and too expensive
Unless the US decides to end the sanction and gives the jets for free (or much cheaper than Russian planes).

 

[zon95]

Articles translation

First, please forgive my english capital. : D

Xinhua wrote about the Air Force, Navy Vietnam?

A few days ago, Xinhua, one of China's official newspaper published an article about "the purpose of building the Air Force in Vietnam."

The article is quite long, mainly reflecting the speculative nature of the individual author of the assessment of the construction process and the normal development of the Vietnamese Air Force today.

This article was subsequently other website, forum post, notably the website, the forum is regularly published, review the issues related to Vietnam's military capabilities, especially marine, air force.

Here are the contents of this article are posted verbatim on Xinhua. Some comments, reviews, personal speculation, the shooting, the damaging diplomatic relations of the author of this article when we talk about air power in Vietnam and China have been removed.

"How to destroy targets relatively far from the coast is top urgent task. Vietnam to buy Russian fighter Su-27 and Su-30 equipped with missiles X29 and X-31.

To conduct maritime patrol, in 2008, Vietnam had established police. This force was equipped with C-212 patrol aircraft 400 purchase of military aircraft company Airbus.

Today, with a network of non-unitary, by the Vietnamese Air Force Staff management, are arranged under the stairs, and there is a link exchange system data.

Missile defense system in Vietnam (*) radar. Each section of the missile defense system will bring mobility, radar can be deployed in any area, so hard to be hurt. "Xinhua wrote.

"Surface-to-air missile forces of Vietnam owns about (*) missiles of all kinds, from air defense missile systems SA-24 to S-300PMU-1. In addition, the air force also possesses anti-aircraft artillery, a diameter of 23-57 mm.

12/2003, Russia and Vietnam have signed a contract to sell 4 fighters Su-30MK2V for Vietnam, the total turnover of $ 100 million, handed over to Vietnam after 11 months. Then, 1/2009, Vietnam continued to buy 8 plane Su-30MK2V, in which four units were handed over in 2011.

5 months later, Hanoi continued to buy 12 aircraft fighting Su-30MK2V, is expected to hand over the end of 2013. Costs for aircraft, weapons and equipment to the ground, the total value of transactions reached nearly $ 1 billion.

Currently, the Vietnamese Air Force property (*) aircraft fight Su-27/Su-30, but the Air Force Command has more ambitious plans, will build (*) regiment fighter Sukhoi , and plans to increase the number of Su-27/Su-30 (*) units. Hanoi hope this will force forces the backbone of the defense forces and the Air Force's attack.

 

[zon95]

Also, if all be carried out according to plan, Hanoi may be interested bomber Su-34 Sukhoi Company, Hanoi hopes modern aircraft can replace the Su-old 22, Su-34 attack aircraft used primarily at sea. "Xinhua wrote.

Helicopter EC-225S's Vietnam Navy

"Currently, most fighter aircraft of the Vietnamese Air Force MiG-21, but we are going to retire in the next 5-10 years, this space will be replaced by light aircraft, such asfighter JAS39 Gripen of Saab-Swedish company, the aircraft was equipped with the Thai air Force.

At the same time, Vietnam also plans to use a flying more modern Yak130 replacement for L-39 training aircraft of Czech. Currently, Viet Nam would like to purchase 12 plane Yak130 in the period from 2015-2025.

In addition, to cope with the risks and advantages of external, Vietnam aircraft are calculating long-range early warning radar with the amount of not less than 2. EC-295 aircraft company made ​​Spain aircraft put out not long ago is not a bad choice. "Xinhua wrote.

Early warning aircraft EC-295 manufactured by Spain.

Vietnam Defence | Tin t

 

[Luftwaffe]

Big fail, then explain me why did we order new GE engines if it is for a face saving exercise of 40 initial LCA order?

Ordering GE Engines signifies death of kavari engines in LCA project. I am not questioning the export of LCA to vietnam in the future IF US gives go ahead with GE engine and israelis with their avionics good for you. If MK1 is being priced $30M and MK2 say $35M-38M this means a basic SU-30 is $35M why would vietnam want to buy LCA if it can afford su-27/30 for $35M the upgrades can proceed later, look at it this way su-27/su-30 has bigger legs can fly longer caps carry more payload ideal platform already in place slow replacement is not a problem instead of introducing a new platform but yes smaller numbers of LCA could be a good start IF GE engines are permitted to be exported with LCA by US. You should remember Saab Viggen and US unless you pay royalties to US because Americans is not willing to sell modern fighters to vietnam so GE engine is in question for exports.

 

[ANPP]

Ordering GE Engines signifies death of kavari engines in LCA project. I am not questioning the export of LCA to vietnam in the future IF US gives go ahead with GE engine and israelis with their avionics good for you. If MK1 is being priced $30M and MK2 say $35M-38M this means a basic SU-30 is $35M why would vietnam want to buy LCA if it can afford su-27/30 for $35M the upgrades can proceed later, look at it this way su-27/su-30 has bigger legs can fly longer caps carry more payload ideal platform already in place slow replacement is not a problem instead of introducing a new platform but yes smaller numbers of LCA could be a good start IF GE engines are permitted to be exported with LCA by US. You should remember Saab Viggen and US unless you pay royalties to US because Americans is not willing to sell modern fighters to vietnam so GE engine is in question for exports.

Because it has lower maintenance cost & also very low life cycle cost compare to flanker, nearly equivalent to mig21.

We are also not saying /dreaming about LCA in VPAF, we are just counting probabilities.

 

[Ammyy]

Lastly don't include LCA it is a struggling project indian navy and air force would induct them as face saving perhaps LCA would be a good advance trainer then BAE Hawk too bad corrupts have ordered 132-189 Hawks and killed LCA as a potential Trainer.

Dnt you know LCA have much better engine, Radar, Avionics compare to your fighter

If LCA fits for trainer then think about your super duper fighter ....

 

[Backbencher]

Why not have a look at Lca tejas mark 2 . Its quite a potent machine going by the specs .