Can today's India compare to China around 15 years ago?

[Kai Liu]

They will post made up charts, fake sources or their best source... Wikipedia lol

Like this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita

The reality is:

https://tradingeconomics.com/india/passenger-cars-per-1-000-people-wb-data.html

https://auto.ndtv.com/news/indias-passenger-car-ownership-to-grow-775-per-cent-by-2040-study-1425954

Anyway, I won't believe any claim by these Gangadesh big mouths...

 

[Tauren Paladin]

Dumb retarded Indians as usual!

 

[GS Zhou]

How China's tier 5 or tier 6 cities look like?
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/how-chinas-tier-5-or-tier-6-cities-look-like.516644/

the thread collects the panoramic views of countless tier-5 or -6 cities across China. I hope our Indian friends could show us something similar.

No need to troll. The facts speak for themselves.

 

[terranMarine]

The Indians here on PDF, probably goes for the whole population are idiots. Stop making the silly comparison of 15 years behind China because it's not. Is India 2033 equal to China 2033? Do Indians even understand my question? Indians better make the calculations how big China's economy will be in 2033.

Using this kind of logic is totally absurd, not surprising India continues to be a complete failure in 2018.

Back in 90s China already World Factory, India 2018 still not industrialized already most polluted on this planet.
China had years of double digit growth, India never had double digit growth. How is India gonna achieve double digit growth? Analysts already said the age of double digit growth is over. India 2018 700 million open defecation, i can't remember China ever having this problem 15 years ago or 30 years ago.

China had and continues to have engines powering up Mainland. The financial center of Asia, the tech powerhouse
such as chips assisting Mainland, South Korea and Japan still investing in Mainland. What does India have?

Why do you think China is now at the forefront in AI research, making rapid progress in memory, chips? Why is China the king in hardware? Why is everything made in China? We are the leader in battery tech, we are at the forefront in HSR tech, we are a space power (send a rover to the dark side of the Moon), getting close to our own space station, deep sea exploration already on our resume. We are a manufacturing juggernaut, only country that can handle massive mega infrastructure projects. We are churning out warships like dishes. We have the biggest consumer market, rapidly growing middle class. We have > $3 T of reserves. We have the fastest super computer. We are deploying robotics rapidly. We belong to the elite BIG 3 club. WE ARE THE BEAST FROM THE EAST

In 2033 the gap between China and India shall be even bigger than it is today. Don't believe me? See you around in 15 years.

 

[Baby Leone]

i think there is no discussion, Chinese are century ahead of India there is nothing to prove and its visible.

 

[Kai Liu]

How China's tier 5 or tier 6 cities look like?
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/how-chinas-tier-5-or-tier-6-cities-look-like.516644/

the thread collects the panoramic views of countless tier-5 or -6 cities across China. I hope our Indian friends could show us something similar.

No need to troll. The facts speak for themselves.

Although China in early 2000s is already an overkill for them,yet there is trolls want to compare with China in 2018, I am just wandering if these SP12 people are blind or what...
Our 2000+ cities (338 prefecture cities + 1900 counties), prove how delusional these trolls are...
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/seei...hinese-cities-towns-and-villages-like.524372/

 

[GS Zhou]

I am just wandering if these SP12 people are blind or what...

it is boring to debate with these SP12 guys. Because whatever you show to them, in the end, they will throw out the golden words like: democracy, dictatorship, the evil CPC, brainwashed people in China, 5-cents, blablabla and bla.

The only thing I could say is, every time I finished my business trips in India and my plane landed in China, my first and immediate impression is always the same: 共产党好，社会主义好，毛主席好.

May the democrazy system lasts in India forever!

 

[Sam Vaish]

India is a superpowa, China is not . China cannot compare to india.
Jay Chou hind!


Because the west doesn't feel India is a threat to them so their news outlet praise India instead of exposing their fake numbers. I don't think the west will expose them as long as they remain a good doggie dog. In the eyes of the west india is a good dog to be used

Yes another pakistani. Guys all these flag holders are pakistanis. I think they want to create flame between Indian and Chinese. These low life people has not much left to do in their lives.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

All these trolls keep straying from the topic. China 2003 vs India 2018 is the point of discussion. Pull up the numbers and pictures that are relevant.

 

[randomradio]

Please. That's also considered humble. I've argued with another poster who claimed that India will reach the HDI of France and the US by 2030. And he's not a troll, he genuinely believes in it.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/new-...ry-by-2030-jaitley.442280/page-9#post-9903983

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/new-...y-by-2030-jaitley.442280/page-10#post-9910063

I have already explained the reasons for it.

The first and biggest reason is that when India transitions from a HDI of 0.64 to 0.8+, India's GDP will be growing at well over 8%. No country in the world that has transitioned from 0.7 to 0.8+ has done it in an era of very high growth. They made the transition with very slow growth, well below 5%.

Second reason is the heavy focus on rural upliftment when it comes to healthcare, power etc.

China achieved 100% electrification in 2015. China was a $10+T economy by then.
https://www.chinadialogue.net/artic...rt-to-bring-electricity-to-1-4-billion-people

India will very likely achieve 100% electrification by 2019. Probably not even worth $3T by then.
https://www.firstpost.com/india/nar...th-aim-at-2019-general-elections-4081275.html
The scheme is expected to electrify all rural households across India by 31 March, 2019

There's Modicare as well.
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/01/news/economy/india-modicare-healthcare-program-largest/index.html
The government said Thursday it plans to cover hospital treatment costs of up to 500,000 rupees ($7,800) per year for 100 million "poor and vulnerable" families.

The government is already trying to bring healthcare closer to rural Indians by establishing 150,000 "health and wellness centers," a separate program to which Jaitley allocated around $190 million in the budget.

The insurance cover will pay for secondary and tertiary hospitalization as well.

So this is stuff we are doing in India long before China is. So you can imagine how quickly India's HDI will grow in comparison to other countries. Especially when healthcare access is easier and children can study at night because of the electricity.

China has to climb up from a HDI of 0.73 to 0.8+ with a slowing economy and aging population, while India has to climb up from 0.64 all the way to 0.8+ with a far younger and very fast growing economy. You see, it's simply not the same. And you can't compare India to any other country in the world due to these advantages.

India's HDI is going to ramp up really quickly in a really short amount of time.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Nice try!

India is still HOT and dirty as ever. The water there still taste funny.

 

[Dungeness]

With the caste system still ingrained in the society and superstitions and feudalism are still part of daily life, India as a whole is yet to come out of the darkness of Middle Ages. The rest is just trivial.

 

[Kai Liu]

I have already explained the reasons for it.

The first and biggest reason is that when India transitions from a HDI of 0.64 to 0.8+, India's GDP will be growing at well over 8%. No country in the world that has transitioned from 0.7 to 0.8+ has done it in an era of very high growth. They made the transition with very slow growth, well below 5%.

Second reason is the heavy focus on rural upliftment when it comes to healthcare, power etc.

China achieved 100% electrification in 2015. China was a $10+T economy by then.
https://www.chinadialogue.net/artic...rt-to-bring-electricity-to-1-4-billion-people

India will very likely achieve 100% electrification by 2019. Probably not even worth $3T by then.
https://www.firstpost.com/india/nar...th-aim-at-2019-general-elections-4081275.html
The scheme is expected to electrify all rural households across India by 31 March, 2019

There's Modicare as well.
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/01/news/economy/india-modicare-healthcare-program-largest/index.html
The government said Thursday it plans to cover hospital treatment costs of up to 500,000 rupees ($7,800) per year for 100 million "poor and vulnerable" families.

The government is already trying to bring healthcare closer to rural Indians by establishing 150,000 "health and wellness centers," a separate program to which Jaitley allocated around $190 million in the budget.

The insurance cover will pay for secondary and tertiary hospitalization as well.

So this is stuff we are doing in India long before China is. So you can imagine how quickly India's HDI will grow in comparison to other countries. Especially when healthcare access is easier and children can study at night because of the electricity.

China has to climb up from a HDI of 0.73 to 0.8+ with a slowing economy and aging population, while India has to climb up from 0.64 all the way to 0.8+ with a far younger and very fast growing economy. You see, it's simply not the same. And you can't compare India to any other country in the world due to these advantages.

India's HDI is going to ramp up really quickly in a really short amount of time.

Will Will Will. As usual... When discuss with Indians...
Remember, when China was a 2 trillion economy, our economy grown at a double digit rate... it still took 10 years for the HDI to grow from 0.634 in 2004 to 0.734 in 2014 at the same period. While your are claiming getting your indian HDI from 6.4 to 0.8+ within 12 years, while struggling to achieve a pathetic 7.0% economic growth rate (considering the size of your economy) at the same time... You are bringing the delusional dreaming into a new high level...
https://countryeconomy.com/hdi/china
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For those delusional Indians, forget about China 2018, try to achieve China 2008 first in the next 10 years:
Shenzhen 2008

Shanghai 2008

Chongqing 2008

Beijing 2008

Even in the backward region Naning Guangxi 2008

 

[randomradio]

Will Will Will. As usual... When discuss with Indians...
Remember, when China was a 2 trillion economy, our economy grown at a double digit rate... it still took 10 years for the HDI to grow from 0.634 in 2004 to 0.734 in 2014 at the same period. While your are claiming getting your indian HDI from 6.4 to 0.8+ within 12 years, while struggling to achieve a pathetic 7.0% economic growth rate (considering the size of your economy) at the same time... You are bringing the delusional dreaming into a new high level...
https://countryeconomy.com/hdi/china
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China's growth wasn't inclusive. It was centered around urban areas.

That's why it took China as long as 2015 to provide electricity for all. Even when GDP is approaching $13T, China still has poverty. There is no Universal Healthcare either.

India's development is rural based. You see, the focus shouldn't be merely lifting people out of poverty, you need to provide them a good life too. Why don't you look up how many people China has who earn less than $10 a day?

Although poverty alleviation figures of China are impressive, your HDI growth is actually not impressive vis-a-vis economic growth. Your funding priorities were not inclusive after all. So what applies to you doesn't apply to us.

For those delusional Indians, forget about China 2018, try to achieve China 2008 first in the next 10 years:
Shenzhen

Shanghai

Chongqing

Even in the backward region Naning Guangxi

Your cities are baubles. China refuses to let rural folk into cities through hukou and the city populations are controlled. That's not how India does things.

With a focus on urban areas, and the desire to project prestige, the CCP has made your cities look good, but everything else is no different from any other country that's still poor.

Stop showing off your cities. What matters is how development has reached the rural areas and how it is affecting the poor. Even with such massive focus on towns and cities, your current urbanizaton rate is pathetic. There are states in India that have 1/3rd the per capita income as China's and have similar levels of urbanization as China.

China is reaching per capita incomes of Mexico and Russia. Both countries have an urbanization level of 75-80%. China's is merely at 55% and 20% are rural immigrants without a permanent address in cities and have various restrictions placed on them. In effect, it's less than 40%.

 

[Kai Liu]

China's growth wasn't inclusive. It was centered around urban areas.

That's why it took China as long as 2015 to provide electricity for all. Even when GDP is approaching $13T, China still has poverty. There is no Universal Healthcare either.

India's development is rural based. You see, the focus shouldn't be merely lifting people out of poverty, you need to provide them a good life too. Why don't you look up how many people China has who earn less than $10 a day?

Although poverty alleviation figures of China are impressive, your HDI growth is actually not impressive vis-a-vis economic growth. Your funding priorities were not inclusive after all. So what applies to you doesn't apply to us.



Your cities are baubles. China refuses to let rural folk into cities through hukou and the city populations are controlled. That's not how India does things.

With a focus on urban areas, and the desire to project prestige, the CCP has made your cities look good, but everything else is no different from any other country that's still poor.

Stop showing off your cities. What matters is how development has reached the rural areas and how it is affecting the poor. Even with such massive focus on towns and cities, your current urbanizaton rate is pathetic. There are states in India that have 1/3rd the per capita income as China's and have similar levels of urbanization as China.

China is reaching per capita incomes of Mexico and Russia. Both countries have an urbanization level of 75-80%. China's is merely at 55% and 20% are rural immigrants without a permanent address in cities and have various restrictions placed on them. In effect, it's less than 40%.

Your full electrification is just a plan, and remember how many times you miss your boastful plans? And even these with electricity, how many hours you will have power outages? You don't have to give me your answer, because I see lots lots of complains about it... And China is more than 3 times bigger than geographically, with far more mountainous regions, the difficulty of providing 100% electricity will be 10 times harder than you.
And you are typical of these people thinking that China only has showcase cities, however, even if our rural regions are not as developed, at least majority of our farmers have huge houses, while your rural areas are basically no much different from ours in the 90s.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/seei...hinese-cities-towns-and-villages-like.524372/
And you don't have to show or talk about the backwardness of those nearly deserted mountain villages in China, because no one is denying the existence of poverty in China, but look at the other side, can you find any random ordinary villages (not the particularly showcasing shinning ones like our Huaxi village) with such level of development in India?

BTW, Our housing area per capita is 40.8 sqm, and take a look at yours：
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...er-than-prison-cells/articleshow/60250531.cms
And about urban population and Hukou, you do count these slum dwellers as urban people, right?
And you beautify your low urbanization rate as "rural based development", and do check which "rural based" country will achieve a 8.0 HDI? But there is a good thing for you: the west organization who give out these HDI figures will always make your numbers look more beautiful than really they are to suit their interests.