Can PAF knock Out Green Pines in War

[Gabbar]

Let me help you simple mind... What I meant was that the high tech well supported in every way Israel had to handle retreat... Likeways the Indians thought they can handle Pakistan. Purely based on arrogance and being bigger. But that did not mean it is capable. Indian projects are worse case scenario's, Indian politicians harldy know or understand that any war against Pakistan will end up in atleast mutual destruction. Whether you buy one or all the green pines in the world. It doesn't even make difference if you lick every Israeli his Butt...

Let me help you naive mind here. Green pine is not for detecting soldiers and they would of been useless against Hezb anyway. I can understand the technology concept but Hezb does not run a country. How can you say that our politicians, can't believe I am defending them, dont understand that. If they didn't they would of launched attack during Kargil, Parliament attack and Mumbai massacre. I do believe they do understand that war is not going lead anywhere. If you are saying that Green pine is not going to make any difference, either your ill informed or just naive. When some one can look 500km into your country and detect any aircraft and missile, I would hardly call that useless.

 

[Gabbar]

So, Green pine is nice to have. It will not alter your result. It is an active radar and something that is easy to be destroyed if the opponent has decent artillery, BM or CM... If needed the time to hit will be less then the time to move it. IT doesn't mean Pakistan is superior but it does mean that you Indians will never win. You were shocked after the nukes. Your pants were on the floor when Babur was launched. And you can try to build a tank, LCA or whatever... You do not have the capability to conquer Pakistan. Not with 5 times bigger everything.

This is about green pine radar that can detect alert the movement of enemy. I dont under stand how you are bringing concouring Pakistan into this and rest of your post is not even worth replying, that's how low grade your post is.

 

[Gabbar]

 

[zombie:-)]

It is your opinion that it is terroristic or not. I know you Indians love Israeli's but concluding who is the terrorist is a bit more complicated then repeating something you probably hear on your propaganda channels...

Let me help you simple mind... What I meant was that the high tech well supported in every way Israel had to handle retreat... Likeways the Indians thought they can handle Pakistan. Purely based on arrogance and being bigger. But that did not mean it is capable. Indian projects are worse case scenario's, Indian politicians harldy know or understand that any war against Pakistan will end up in atleast mutual destruction. Whether you buy one or all the green pines in the world. It doesn't even make difference if you lick every Israeli his Butt...

So, Green pine is nice to have. It will not alter your result. It is an active radar and something that is easy to be destroyed if the opponent has decent artillery, BM or CM... If needed the time to hit will be less then the time to move it. IT doesn't mean Pakistan is superior but it does mean that you Indians will never win. You were shocked after the nukes. Your pants were on the floor when Babur was launched. And you can try to build a tank, LCA or whatever... You do not have the capability to conquer Pakistan. Not with 5 times bigger everything.

stop going off topic .....

and about conquering pakistan ...well our politicians are not that dumb....and hey first let your govt ward off the present invaders i.e, TALIBAN ...then they can worry about their presently peaceful eastern neighbor

EDIT

this whole thread is useless .....remember how BISMARCK sunk HMS HOOD (the unsinkable ship) from WW2 ha....nothing is permanent in war ...even the PAF or PN can sink an aircraft carrier ...if everything goes their way ...totoally useless thread ....or lets start another thread on HOW TO TAKE OUT AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER .....this never ends and please mods youd have to upgrade your severs hard disks soon if this kind of useless threads exist ....you are TRULY letting down

 

[Munir]

Onedimensional thinking and still trying to make something out of it...

 

[zombie:-)]

Onedimensional thinking and still trying to make something out of it...

thank you for telling something about yourself

 

[Hasnain2009]

 

[LCA]

I think DRDO is already doing that. You will see LCA in IAF in large numbers.

what the hell u talking about LCA is damn failed project.

i don't know why DRDO and GOI invest billions of $ in this projects:just to create the aviation industry and base for military and civil aircraft,choopers and others aerospace,etc,etc....

Who needs them???

India should just find a country like china and give them just 500 million dollar to create a generation - X aircraft called JF-17 which can shoot any aircraft in the world it doesn't matter what type of radar and weapon they carry...

 

[Gabbar]

^^ I didn't say that LCA is failed!!!

 

[zombie:-)]

^^ I didn't say that LCA is failed!!!

failed to see the sarcasm didnt ya ...he just missed some punctuation thats all

 

[LCA]

failed to see the sarcasm didnt ya ...he just missed some punctuation thats all

so what are you waiting for.... go ahead and complete it ...

 

[shehbazi2001]

In knocking out Green Pine radar, we are not considering here the AWACS. Green Pines combined with AWACS provides a formidable surveillance capability. UAVs and satellites shall also come into play and the detection of launch aircraft or ground launch battery should be kept in mind.

Only a cruise missile with anti-radiation passive homing head provides an option without involving much planning or deception, provided Indians dont arrange any electronic countermeasures.

It is these electronic countermeasures that can foil even ARM and an electronic scanning radar should not be underestimated when it comes to countermeasures.

If an attack formation is successful in geting close to radar site, then using multiple-sensor weapon combination provides a viable option to attack Green Pine. Multiple-sensor means a combined attack by anti-radiation guided missiles, TV-guided missiles (if its day), IIR-guided missiles (if its night) and laser-guided ones. If there is smoke etc, TV-guidance will not function even in day time, anti-radiation may fail if radar starts to employ ECMs etc. If special forces team illuminate the target with laser, then LGBs can be dropped.

But this whole scenario ignores the fact that opposition fighters would intercept the formation. So escort cover is indispensable. In short, a comprehensive planning is required alongwith willingess to pay some price for the mission accomplishment.

 

[LCA]

In knocking out Green Pine radar, we are not considering here the AWACS. Green Pines combined with AWACS provides a formidable surveillance capability. UAVs and satellites shall also come into play and the detection of launch aircraft or ground launch battery should be kept in mind.

Only a cruise missile with anti-radiation passive homing head provides an option without involving much planning or deception, provided Indians dont arrange any electronic countermeasures.

It is these electronic countermeasures that can foil even ARM and an electronic scanning radar should not be underestimated when it comes to countermeasures.

If an attack formation is successful in geting close to radar site, then using multiple-sensor weapon combination provides a viable option to attack Green Pine. Multiple-sensor means a combined attack by anti-radiation guided missiles, TV-guided missiles (if its day), IIR-guided missiles (if its night) and laser-guided ones. If there is smoke etc, TV-guidance will not function even in day time, anti-radiation may fail if radar starts to employ ECMs etc. If special forces team illuminate the target with laser, then LGBs can be dropped.

But this whole scenario ignores the fact that opposition fighters would intercept the formation. So escort cover is indispensable. In short, a comprehensive planning is required alongwith willingess to pay some price for the mission accomplishment.

a very welcome and thoughtful post ..... atlast.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Multiple cruise missile strikes with e bomb warhead would be devastating to the green pine systems. Actually---you don't have to have direct hit-----anything electrical within a ten to twenty miles radius would be toasted and fried for good.

You really don't need it to hit at all---even if the missile is intercepted in air and it explodes in air---the electrical charge in itself would make anything electrical explode.


Now does pakistan have that ability to manufacture the e bomb. The americans believed that---as a matter of fact it was one of their biggest fears in the 2002 scenario that if pakistan had e bomb and retaliated against the computer cities in india---even though there would be minilam loss of life---the state would have to turn to stone age technology to survive.

 

[Muradk]

Onedimensional thinking and still trying to make something out of it...

thank you for telling something about yourself

Mr Zombi your judicious remarks will get you in trouble, Take a look at the member first before acting as a smart As-. It would be wise for you to keep this in mind next time you write something. Munir's knowledge and experience in aviation and penury is way beyond your googling.