Can Muslims sing "Vande_Mataram"?

[Hyde]

Hindu consider their mother a form of God and some even perform puja. Vande matram is just that because it was written by Hindu with intension of bow to mother just like bow to god.

So we agree that Muslim must not sing this song since it lead to shirk. NO.

of course as the intent to bow in that sense suggests me of "worshipping". If I was an indian I would have certainly refrained chanting this song if the intentions were to worship the Mother (Goddess).

PS: Thats not a national song of India right? so it should have least importance for Muslims anyway

 

[Al-zakir]

Well i don't find anything wrong it, Al-Zakir apparently does

Sorry @ Al-Zakir

I do not find anything wrong with Military salute either because they do not physically bow infront of Higher officer.

 

[humanfirst]

@Zaki
This song is not the national song and some muslims and christians prefer not to sing it since their interpretation of wordings of that songs dont align with religious views,and indian constitution and supreme court judgement gives a person right to refrain from singing that song.What we object here is people like accusing those muslims who sing that song as kafirs even if they meant only to show respect by the expression "to bow".

 

[Hyde]

@Zaki
This song is not the national song and some muslims and christians prefer not to sing it since their interpretation of wordings of that songs dont align with religious views,and indian constitution and supreme court judgement gives a person right to refrain from singing that song.What we object here is people like accusing those muslims who sing that song as kafirs even if they meant only to show respect by the expression "to bow".

Although I disagree with Al-Zakir that bowing down a bit does not lead you to shirk and it is perfectly fine. But it does not mean singing this song becomes correct too.

Those who sing this song intending to bow the Mother (Goddess) are unarguably committing Shirk if that mother means the Goddess. If they are only bowing to "Mother" who is not a God in any form..... it can be classed as a respect. Depends upon the intentions too.........

PS: Muslims should better refrain singing like peoples mentioned before. If I was an indian i would have certainly refrained singing anything doubtful

 

[Al-zakir]

yeah Vande Mataram sounds incorrect for Muslims. We can object on that......... lets stick to topic yaar....... Bowing is entirely a different issue.

Where have been bro. Did you miss the begaining of thread...

Well meaning of vande matram is we bow to thee mother so muslim can not sing this song. Agree or disagree.

 

[Al-zakir]

Although I disagree with Al-Zakir that bowing down a bit does not lead you to shirk and it is perfectly fine. But it does not mean singing this song becomes correct too.

Those who sing this song intending to bow the Mother (Goddess) are unarguably committing Shirk if that mother means the Goddess. If they are only bowing to "Mother" who is not a God in any form..... it can be classed as a respect. Depends upon the intentions too.........
PS: Muslims should better refrain singing like peoples mentioned before. If I was an indian i would have certainly refrained singing anything doubtful

Bhai how can you disgree with me when you are agreeing with me......

We are saying the same thing...

 

[Hyde]

Where have been bro. Did you miss the begaining of thread...

Well meaning of vande matram is we bow to thee mother so muslim can not sing this song. Agree or disagree.

Yaar "Mother". I can remember the debate on tv or internet video where scholars were having similar discussion. If you mean the Mother like you own mother...... as a sign of respect......... I don't see anything wrong

If you mean the God Mother........ obviously you are standing her alongside Allah so it will be Shirk.

PS: I was here, read many of the posts but was a silent observer only

 

[Comet]

So, Muslims cannot sing Vande Matram. BTW, wasn't this a point of concern for All India Muslim League back in the days of Britishers?

 

[humanfirst]

@alzakir
Bro i think i got your point according to you islam refrains one from bowing to another no matter what he means by bowing(be it in martial arts to salute each other,be it as a part of culture where it is also used just to show respect-even without attributing aspect of god etc,be it as a cultural alternative of physical salute to respect senior officers etc )right?
Well many muslim scholars like Israr ahmed,common logic and the quranic sentence-"one will be judged in accordance to his intentions", dont agree with your view.

 

[toppys]

A Typical Image of Bharat Mata

It is a hymn to the goddess Bharat Mata and goes like that

I bow to thee, Mother,
richly-watered, richly-fruited,
cool with the winds of the south,
dark with the crops of the harvests,
the Mother!


Her nights rejoicing
in the glory of the moonlight,
her lands clothed beautifully
with her trees in flowering bloom,
sweet of laughter,
sweet of speech,
The Mother,
giver of boons, giver of bliss!


In my opinion, anybody who sings this song Commits the sin of Shirak. No matter what, Muslims do not bow to anybody but Allah. There are no devi's in Islam, we are asked to love our homeland, defend it sacrifice our lives for it but "worship it" or its "symbol"... NO! Not in any chase whatsoever.

In my understanding, No Muslim in India or anywhere else in the world should chant that hymn. Muslims do not bow to any entity except Allah and anybody who chants that could be committing the unforgivable sin, the Shirk committing which one would not be forgiven..ever!

References:
Vande Mataram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and
Bharat Mata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

if someone dont want dont sing. There was a debate in lok sabha and people decide it to be left voluntary to sing it. So you are at liberty (a strange concept in some lands) to sing it or not.

 

[True_Pakistan_Zindabad]

We must take into account Hinduism is the largest and most influential demographic of their society. The Indian state is heavily influenced by Hinduism as their founders were mostly Hindu... just like most western secular nations are influenced by "Judeo - Christian " principles because of their founders...

We are here talking and poking fun at "Kali" and "Durga" but would you know that on top of the US Capitol Hill building is the Greek Goddess of the underworld, Persephone? Does this mean that the Muslims who pledge allegiance to the US or conduct day to day business and lives in the US are in the same boat as Muslim Indians, meaning in a philosophical and moral conundrum? I personally think we have come too far in time to make this a huge issue. This looks strange to us as Pakistanis but to many others it is a glimpse of ancient history, culture, civilization, etc.

 

[Fighter488]

Really? I guess then a small section of the people you know from Muslim community has some sort of identity crisis .

Contrary to this; a miniscule people, from so called muslims you know, are being delibrately projected as ALL MUSLIMS! So apart from giving some fake muslim identities, you could not come up, against a vast majority of muslims opposed to singing Vande-Matarm in India. Just google it and get flooded with tons of information. My advice is BEWARE OF THE INFORMATION TIDE you will get!

What do you mean India is not a mainstream Hindu country either? The religion originated here on these lands, the majority are mainstream Hindus.

So What? There are many hundred millions of Non-Hindus as well born, lived/living and died here! Sikhism also originated from here. So is Budhism. Most probably this is the case with Jainism also. In case of Sikhs and Jains, they all originated and inhibited here. That does not make India as Jain and Sikh exclusive! Did it?

Hindu tolerance and openness is the result India exists as a democracy and not a theocratic insane state.

Completely wrong reason indeed. India exists as a secular and democratic society because it COULD ONLY EXIST this way! The vast diversity of religion, language, culture, cast and ethenicity DEMANDED a secular and democratic India.

The Muslims I have known, heard of and read about are really proud Indians and don't have any problems in singing Vande Mataram with patriotism.

And don't try to put your assumptions and false information as genuine, by giving it the wing of PROPAGANDA. The overwhelmingly majority of muslims are opposed to singing of Vande-Matram, at all levels. All Indian main-stream media; print or electronic, bear witness to it!

 

[Fighter488]

Fighter it may be your knowledge but for me as far as i know Indian Muslims had no problem singing it..as soon as some fanatics gave religious angle to it,it become controversy..as many posters pointed out A.R Rehman composed the song Vandemathram and it was a huge success among Indians..everybody sung that song including Muslims..there were no problem at that time..it was a cheap attempt by some people to get name nothing else..

Seiko, please check your facts at ALL INDIA level. Do not qoute examples from ILLITRATE remote muslim village BACHCHA'S as an example! The ALL INDIA opposition to singing Vande-Matram from Indian Muslims is LOUD and CLEAR!

 

[Iqbal_Brar]

Contrary to this; a miniscule people, from so called muslims you know, are being delibrately projected as ALL MUSLIMS! So apart from giving some fake muslim identities, you could not come up, against a vast majority of muslims opposed to singing Vande-Matarm in India. Just google it and get flooded with tons of information. My advice is BEWARE OF THE INFORMATION TIDE you will get!



So What? There are many hundred millions of Non-Hindus as well born, lived/living and died here! Sikhism also originated from here. So is Budhism. Most probably this is the case with Jainism also. In case of Sikhs and Jains, they all originated and inhibited here. That does not make India as Jain and Sikh exclusive! Did it?



Completely wrong reason indeed. India exists as a secular and democratic society because it COULD ONLY EXIST this way! The vast diversity of religion, language, culture, cast and ethenicity DEMANDED a secular and democratic India.





And don't try to put your assumptions and false information as genuine, by giving it the wing of PROPAGANDA. The overwhelmingly majority of muslims are opposed to singing of Vande-Matram, at all levels. All Indian main-stream media; print or electronic, bear witness to it!

Fighter, that is all debateable.. personally I have no opinion on vande matram... because love for country is one thing, and love for god is another.. even if i sing it as a Muslim, I don't think it is shirk at all, because everything depends on a person's niyat.. again, everyone is different.. to me country is not above god because countries are merely a human creation.. and rely on patriotic egoitism.. but ofcourse if you truly believe that if you sing vande matram you will equate your country with god.. than you shouldn't sing.. it matters individual to individual.. i don't care what a bunch of no-work mullah's say.. they have tendency to lead people like sheep.. and that is also what majority of Indians are.. sheep... regardless of religion.. Worship depends on your niyat not just by saying something.. heck, being a muslim you should know that even if you pray but niyat is not there.. your prayer will not be accepted.. so please tell me how can vande matram be shirk when your niyat is not to equate it with god?? its just a stupid issue.. another chance to get people to flock like sheep.. the rich-poor divide.. dats all..

-Javed

 

[MilesTogo]

Can someone please define 'worship' for me? Thanks