Can Israeli PDF-ers and Zionism supporters refute these claims?

[haman10]

Life expectancy at birth is an average, is it not? Can averages be swayed to the extremes very easily or not? The answer to both questions is of course a yes, just as the answer to the question "is the sky blue?" an obvious yes.

If there was an index that used median figures to show life expectancy than your argument would be valid. Look at African countries with life expectancy figures in the 30's and 40's. The only reason they have such low figures is b/c of their high infant mortality rate. As soon as the infant mortality rates drop, their life expectancy sky rockets. You introduce vaccination to a collective that never had it before and over night the life expectancy figure will shoot up.

thats true , but again it has not such an effect .

remember what u said earlier ?

Life expectancy at birth is an average

even if infant mortality rate was extremely high , their life expectancy should be as low as syria for example !!

syria's life expectancy was 35 at the time , how the hell is it 22 in palestine ?

again , average years that people live should be higher biologically speaking . thats IMHO though .

another issue i raised was the fact the same life expectancy exploded for 7 years , between 1990 and 2000 . thats also impossible !! how the hell did that happen when they were being bombed ?

 

[500]

I listened the first part and basically every sentence there is either a lie or cheap manipulation.

1) Israel expels 50 thousand people from Silwan to prove there was king David. In fact there are plans about demolition of 22 houses with compensation. This place is world important archeological site with artifacts from all periods since over 5000 years ago. The total population of Silwan is slightly more than 30 K not 50 K (this guy lies even in small details) and of course nothing will happen to them.
2) He says that in 1947 there were half million Jews maybe less and 1.5 million Arabs in Palestine. In fact 614 thousand Jews and 1237 thousand Arabs. Another example that this guy lies even in details.
3) He says that partion was not fair, since Jews got bigger part.
First of all, 2/3 of Jewish part was barren desert.
Second of all he "forgers" that Jordan which consist 75% of Palestinian Mandate territory was given to Arabs 1 year before. As result Jews got only 13% of Palestine Mandate. Very "unfair".
4) He says that immediately after UN vote in November 1947 Jews began campaign of ethnic cleansing. In fact Jews accepted the plan while Arabs rejected and started attacks against Jews. By march 1948 Jerusalem, the largest Jewish city was totally cut off and starving. Only then Jews launched their offensive campaign.
5) He says that in 1947 Jews had 40 K well trained armed man Arabs had nothing like this. In fact the total Jewish force was about 18 K, the overwhelming majority of them were poorly trained and armed force for defence of communities only 2,1 K Palmah force was well trained. Palestinians had two gangs of Abd el kader an Hassan Salame (about 1 K men each), the army 5 K "army of salvation" of fawsi al kaukji, 1.5 K Muslim Brotherhood volunteers in soth + militias of several dosen in each village (if there are 500 villages with 40 men militia each we get some 20 K force).

So I got tired of his lies.

Don't pay attention to the nonsense posted by these Zionists. They will even try to debate against the earth being circular if their government demands it. There is only one thing you need to see and it's this:

There is no justification for this. They have occupied another people's land and no amount of Zionist BS will change that.

This map is a lie and cheap propaganda. Here is real one:

 

[haman10]

This map is a lie and cheap propaganda. Here is real one:

so basically (according to this map) there was no palestine , and they occupied israel since 1994?



@Serpentine @Ostad @mohsen @Hazzy997 @KingMamba @Jungibaaz @LoveIcon @al-Hasani @kollang

serious brain damage detected

 

[500]

@Arabian Legend nice thread @Hazzy997

@500 what a bunch of bull crap !! as someone who is studying medicine , i call dibs on the most shitty life expectancy graph ever .

lets ask any doctor here on PDF , how in Gods creation life expectancy of palestinians was 22 in 1800s? thats biologically impossible !! even if people lived in country full of epedimic diseases , still telomerase enzyme will determine the aging !

Because more than third died in childhood.

also , how in hell did life expectancy in gaza exploded by 7 freaking years from 1990 till 2000 ? while they were being bombed , rubbed and terrorized ?

Because u are watching too much TV (especially Iranian). This is real the Gaza:

Gaza non war pictures

The figures i used are from Palestinian site by the way.

so basically (according to this map) there was no palestine , and they occupied israel since 1994?

Until 1994 Palestinians had not any state or autonomy. There was only a geographic term "Palestine" (which has nothing to do with the Arabs).

 

[Solomon2]

Thanks for the invitation. However, I don't do videos - certainly not long ones. If you don't care enough to type a transcript or at least summarize, then that's the same as throwing out empty accusations and the demanding the accused be judged guilty until proved otherwise: your part takes 5 seconds, mine takes 5 hours.

There is only one thing you need to see and it's this:

There is only one thing you need to see and it's this: The Map that Lies.

 

[ozzy22]

Here is a data:

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story559.html

As u can see Palestinian life expectancy skyrocketed after the "evil occupation" in 1967. From 1950 to 1970 during the Arab rule female life expectancy of Palestinians increased only by 1 year (45-46) during the next 20 years, under evil Israeli occupation female life expectancy increased by 21 years!

I addressed genocide and ethnic cleansing claims. I'll listen that speech if i have time.

Life expectancy around the world has increased, so I don’t know why you’re trying to imply that Israel had anything to do with the increasing life expectancy of Palestinians.

I don’t agree with the term ethnic cleansing or genocide to describe Israel’s actions, I think the term apartheid is more fitting

 

[Archdemon]

BORING...

 

[500]

Life expectancy around the world has increased, so I don’t know why you’re trying to imply that Israel had anything to do with the increasing life expectancy of Palestinians.

I don’t agree with the term ethnic cleansing or genocide to describe Israel’s actions, I think the term apartheid is more fitting

During the Arab rule in 1950-es and 1960-es it increased very very slowly, during the Israeli rule 1970-es,1980es, 1990-s it skyrocketed.

 

[Arya Desa]

Arabs and Jews are both semites. Did Issac and Ishmael not come from the same father? So why are you fighting?

 

[Solomon2]

The speaker is basically speaking on the illegitimacy of the so called state of Israel and how did Israel committed ethnic cleansing -

No real need to watch the video, I suppose.

This article is from the 1948 Palestine Post.

THE Count [Bernadotte] seems rather hurt because the Israeli Government is "not inclined to permit" the refugees to return. He “appreciates Jewish misgivings on security grounds“ but he thinks the danger to Israel would be "slight”.

Now, the Count is a busy man who flies around a great deal and sees things along broad lines; the bird's eye view. We who don't fly around and who would be living next-door to these refugees, should they return, have the lowly worm's eye view. But it’s also a view. Therefore we see these Arab refugees in clear cut outlines as individuals: as neighbours; as men who lived across the road or just beyond the pine grove; or on the other side of the Wadi; in contrast to those of the bird's eye view who see them as "The Arab refugee problem" composed of so-and-so many souls (approximately) who cost such-and-such pounds (approx) to maintain daily on starvation (approx.) rations in order to ease consciences (approx.)

In order to consider these refugees as individuals and to consider their proposed home-coming from the worm‘s eye view, let's look at Zer'in. I've written about Zer'ln on previous occasions. I do so again on the pretext of Thoreau who wrote, "I should not talk so much about myself if there were anybody else whom I knew as well." As our close neighbour, we knew Zer‘in well. And Zer’in, being typical of tens of Arab villages, I've used it for close-ups when the scene became too panoramic and bird's eye.

So you may recall that this historic village of Jezreel where the Kings of Israel were crowned, maintained friendly relations with our village for some thirty years without incident, even during past disturbances. There were times when I became quite lyrical about Zer'in, comparing it to a “cameo” set on the mountain: that's what it looked like. Then the delicate cameo began sniping. And if the Iraqis had taken the notion, our village and others would have been in direct and easy cannon range. Yes, we were close neighbours: uncomfortably close with all the strategic plums in Zer'in‘s basket.

People here didn't believe, as I wrote at the time, that the fellahin of Zer‘in were responsible for the much publicized arrival of the Iraqi general and his troops. In fact, some of them had previously complained like the other villagers, that if the British would guard the borders, hell wouldn't pop in Palestine.

None of us know how many of our former good neighbors left the village before the Iraqi general’s arrival; nor how many volunteered or were coerced to remain behind fighting until the night when, after losses to our troops, the stronghold fell. One thing we do know; that on the night of the first unsuccessful attempt to capture Zer'in, the barbaric war cries of the women urging their men on, were plainly heard by our soldiers. We assumed thaw the women were of Zer'in and not Iraqi A.T.S.

Visiting Zer'in after its capture wasn't a pleasure jaunt. Their own counter attacks had added to the original damage.

There was all the emptiness and gapingness of a battered village. Stray cats and donkeys wandered in and out of houses where we had once sipped black coffee and talked of "Shalom" through the nargiieh smoke. An elaborately beaded make-up bag, made especially for brides’ mascara, hung forlornly on a caved-in wall. Saddest of all was the paralysed woman whose family had deserted her in the rush. Mumbling about the will of Allah she sat under a pomegranate tree, her day broken only by the meals brought to her by the Jewish troops. Of all the impressions of that wry day, the memory of the woman left behind under a pomegranate tree stayed on.

There was sadness that day; the sadness of a deserted village; of destruction; of fellahin torn from their field. But sadness was hardly the predominant emotion. We'd have been saints or liars if we said so. The predominating emotion was relief. Only here on the spot could we realize the horrible potentialities of this “delicate cameo” which had been sniping at us from a height. Only as we walked over the ground and surveyed Zer'in with other eyes than in the lyric past when we come to eat roast lamb — only now could we thank our lucky stars for the ultimate victory. Our losses were not as the wishful thinking of some Arabs caused them to write then, "Oh Jewish mothers, if you could see the bodies of hundreds of your sons strewn in pieces on the rocks around Zer'in" etc. -— but the number was high tor the subordination of a small village whose strength lay in her height.

And now comes the bland proposal that the Arab refugees be allowed to return to their homes. The idea may not sound too preposterous to those in high places when it's couched in that highfalutin ‘rehabilitation' language. But when you reduce it to its simplest root, Zer‘in — and every single Jewish town and village had its personal Zer‘in — it's unthinkable that anyone should not consider it unthinkable.

We knew the fellahin of Zer'in. Our farmers helped them in agricultural matters Those of us with a weakness for that delightful vegetable, bamya, had to cultivate our own this year. We miss our “tehina” and that spicy bean which adds piquancy to the coffee. It's too bad that the fellahin couldn't sell us the bamya and the coffee spice. And he’d probably prefer bringing us the bamya to doing whatever he is doing at the moment. It's certainly too bad that anyone with the broad wheat fields he had, should be troubled now about where his next meal is coming from. It's too bad. But frankly, we're more relieved than sad. If he wasn’t living under an olive tree, we might have been. If he wasn't the refugee, we might have been. We prefer it this way. If we said otherwise, we'd be saints or liars. That's war. That's the worm's eye view.

Neither the fellahin nor we were responsible for the spectacular arrival of the Iraqi general in Zer'in. But one thing is certain. The notion of re-installing Zer’in as a sniping cameo over our heads is fantastic. The blood of every Jewish soldier who fell there in order to ensure the fields in this part of the Emek would cry out against it, to say nothing of those still living here.

When the children used to cry, "Zer'in is sniping down at us again," we answered casually, "Really?" or "You don't say." The casualness was part of the general "carry-on" act, put on for ourselves as well as for the children. But one's sense of humour and causalness and "carry on" wears thin. We are not prepared to accept with open eyes the Count's "slight" danger.

We can regret that our once good neighbours are living under olive trees somewhere and hungry. We regret too those of our soldiers who will never be hungry again because they fell on the slopes of Zer'in. We can regret a great deal. But still, the idea of such a menace being re-established on the mountain over our heads is fantastic.

The onus for "rehabilitation" rests squarely with those who opened the borders to the Iraqis, thereby setting the first stone rolling in than whole catastrophe. What do the British intend doing about it? For the whole high-sounding “Arab refugee problem‘ is only Zer’in multipiied; complicated; and soaked with sudden British crocodile tears.

We who were good neighbours can feel more poignantly for the fellah whom we once called by his first name, than England who brought him to this present plight. For us, he isn't the "Arab refugee problem," he's a man with a name with whom we had no quarrel. It’s sadder to think of a man with a name living under an olive tree, hungry, with his wife and children with names, than to think of the "refugee problem" living under an olive tree, hungry. And more than once we inquire with concern “I wonder how so and so is fairing now." I think most often of ten year old year old Fatma with the dark eyes and chubby cheeks. It happened like this. American jitterbugging of a sort and Arabic hoochy of a sort can be made to coincide at a given point. So at a wedding, we managed a twosome. Fatma was delighted and followed me like a shadow for two whole days. Where is she now? Often her dancing feet and dark eyes protrude from the bird's eye "Arab refugee problem" in a very personal, worm's eye way.

But the idea of Fatma's father being "rehabilitated" over our heads at this stage in the game is fantastic. In other words, the average man - devoid of Britain's beatific fair playness - would answer any invitation to rehabilitation at his expense for the benefit of Britain's keeping face, "So sorry, old fellow, but - ".

 

[he-man]

Because more than third died in childhood.


Because u are watching too much TV (especially Iranian). This is real the Gaza:

Gaza non war pictures

The figures i used are from Palestinian site by the way.


Until 1994 Palestinians had not any state or autonomy. There was only a geographic term "Palestine" (which has nothing to do with the Arabs).

****!!!
that gaza looks better than india at least

 

[RAMPAGE]

@Arabian Legend

Jizaak-Allah ya akhi !!!

70 mins well spent.

 

[Sam1980]

****!!!
that gaza looks better than india at least

I don't really like to involve myself in these discussions, but please judge for yourself:

 

[he-man]

I don't blame palestenians actually,,,they were robbed of their land,,,,,,,,,,,,,but i am sympathetic to israelis too!!

i am totally torn but i understand that israelis are needed in middle east

 

[Sam1980]

The way Hamas operates is to create as many casualties as possible to affect public opinion. They know that IDF could crush them in matter of hours, so in order to prevent that from happening they conveniently position the launchers near schools and mosques.