Can India & Pakistan come out of the spiral of mutual destruction ?

[Chris Logan]

who profits from the division of the subcontinent? is it in anybody's best interest. My family owns some land in BD that produces rice and shrimp. I would love to trade it in Indian, Afghan, Pakistani, South East Asian and Chinese Markets.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It does concern us a lot if our nation was split into two parts on a faulty ideology, an ideology that is being utilised to compromise Indian interests.

I don't think so. Leave out the ideology behind the original partition. The people of Pakistan survive and the country still exists because the people of that country still want it to exist. Going to them and saying, you shouldn't be here, it's all a huge mistake, is unlikely to be humorous beyond the initial gust of laughter. Don't suggest it in public.

 

[Battlion25]

Interesting point of view. How did he come to power in the first place?
India wasn't such an aggressive country 15 years ago.

Yes I agree.. India was not like this 15 years ago and also make no mistake the western nations are not pro-modi and on the contrary as his actually unravaling all of their policies and the reason the US even lost in Afghanistan..

He could force many nations in the region turn their backs to the US and his been solely benefiting China as awkward as it may sound.. China has been gaining allies at fast pace in the area at the expense of Modi's BJP elements who basically handed everything to China without knowing it and now the US is sort of pushed out of this area entirely. If secular leaders were here they wouldn't have fuked up this much and they would have maintained rivalry with Pakistan but at a controlled paced and at the same time be diplomatic in other arena's

 

[Joe Shearer]

It's no more Pakistan vs. India, this got to be on the sidelines now.

It's now more like India, of the liberals, seculars, open minded Versus the Bharat, of Hindutvadis, Sanghs, Senas, and/or the likes of RSS, VHP, Sangh Parivar etc.



The exact meaning of the “idea of Bharat” is available in a note by Ramakant Tiwari, co-convenor of the Delhi BJP Intellectual Cell. Titled “Idea of Bharat supercedes idea of India’’, the note explains how the “idea of Bharat” draws on India’s ancient cultural heritage, symbolised by dharma, shakti, the guru-shishya parampara, maya, rebirth, the primacy of Sanskrit and the scriptures, teertha (pilgrimages), and the Kumbh Mela. Bharat was the rashtra chosen by Brahma for his incarnations, including the Buddha, writes Tiwari.

This, then, is the original genius of India. Compare that to the “malevolent” “idea of India”, traced by Tiwari not to our “first PM J L Nehru’’, but to Lord Macaulay. This “malafide” foreign idea replaced our decentralised, dharma-based, democratic civilisation where “honoured visitors” were welcomed and assimilated. What we got instead was centralised planning, invaders, “selfish identities intruding from all corners of the world’’, contrived phrases such as “unity in diversity”, the “conspiracy of secularism” replacing sarva dharma sama bhava, cowardice as ahimsa, subservience as “tolerance” and socialism/communism replacing our own arthashastra.


It is clear that the “idea of Bharat” is not merely an exclusively Hindu view of the country but an “upper caste” one. The British destroyed our ancient gurukuls which guaranteed 100 per cent literacy, says Tiwari. Surely he means 100 per cent “upper caste” literacy?

India Versus Bharat

Electoral compromises of BJP indicate that idea of India has prevailed over Bharat

indianexpress.com

Could I now proceed to sabotage your brilliant post? Only if you permit, and only if you assure me that you will remain safe from personal attack. You, not I.

 

[QWECXZ]

West created a fight between Hindus and Muslims in India and propped up Modi as savior of the Hindus.

Honestly, I think this Islamophobia that the West is propagating full-throttle will soon bite them hard in the ***.
Muslim countries will only grow more powerful in the next 2 decades. And the US will have no choice but to leave the Middle East and focus on China and Russia.
Turning against Muslims will cost the Westerners dearly.

 

[UK_PAKISTANI]

Hopefully one day Pakistan and India will live in peace and form a game changing economic, political and military alliance.

Indians and Pakistani's like side by side, outside of India and Pakistan and it nots really ever a problem.

BUT,
Kashmir, HInduvita, RSS, Cow gangs and the Hindu extremism in India make this unlikely any time soon.
Many Indians ( mostly Hindus ) hate muslims in General and Pakistan in particular with a passion and want to destroy Pakistan at any cost.

We should be ready for total war with India in the near future.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Pakistan is made up of Aryans, Turko-Mongols, Persians and Arabs while Indians are primarily Africans.



West rigs the election to keep Modi in power. It is not easy to remove him as he is a lackey of the West and has full support of the West.

Modi is India's Zelensky.

Quit trolling dude

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes, I understand. But secessionist moves are clear and obvious indicators of ethno-nationalism in subcontinent.

Couldn't disagree more. Tell me and my kinfolk that we have to become Ram-bhakts to remain Hindu, and you'll find out. There is no secessionist move in Bengal, just a wish that the cow-belt turds would leave us alone and mishandle their own states. There is enough damage they can do to themselves, before coming around to us.

We are still the peaceful ones. Try telling the Tamilian that he is secessionist because he is ethno-nationalist. Do it from a safe distance, preferably on a long-distance phone line. Just some good advice; you can also do it standing on the Marina Beach. Remember to tell all your friends on PDF where to send the flowers.

 

[Wood]

Hopefully one day Pakistan and India will live in peace and form a game changing economic, political and military alliance.

Indians and Pakistani's like side by side, outside of India and Pakistan and it nots really ever a problem.

BUT,
Kashmir, HInduvita, RSS, Cow gangs and the Hindu extremism in India make this unlikely any time soon.
Many Indians ( mostly Hindus ) hate muslims in General and Pakistan in particular with a passion and want to destroy Pakistan at any cost.

We should be ready for total war with India in the near future.

The first and last lines of this post are polar opposites

 

[Joe Shearer]

The second part of post is more of what you are trying to say. The fact that all Indian states that have more than 20% of minority population is religiously polarized is to me a clear indicator of the absence of ethno-nationalism. You'll see that BJP does well in all these states.

দাদু, বাজে কথাটা বাদ দেবেন ?

 

[313ghazi]

Unfortunately I see it becoming harder. For years we had politicians who played the India card to help cover up their own BS, and our society has moved away from that (apart from security failures), whereas you guys seem to be in terminal volocity in terms of blaming Pakistan for everything.

IK was the perfect person for positive negociations. He's confident in himself, confident in the support of the people and too much of an egotist to be afraid of any establishment. Meanwhile what do you have on the other side?

 

[Joe Shearer]

You might as well say "when pigs can fly"

That's what he said.

Remember that English is not the first language for many of us. It is my own third language, for instance.

 

[Chris Logan]

We all want Gazwa E Hind or Akand Bharat, They aren't mutually exclusive, we can do both. What matters is the prosperity of our children and our children's children, for that, we must sacrifice our selfish endeavors and make some actual overtures towards peace.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Nah lol. That is just out right false. You can argue that some parts are not Indic, but most of pakistan is Indic in race (Punjab, Sindh, parts of Baloch). Religion you can claim to be the core difference, between Islam in Pakistan and Secularism in India.

First rule of warfare - NEVER attack Russia.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Couldn't disagree more. Tell me and my kinfolk that we have to become Ram-bhakts to remain Hindu, and you'll find out. There is no secessionist move in Bengal, just a wish that the cow-belt turds would leave us alone and mishandle their own states. There is enough damage they can do to themselves, before coming around to us.

We are still the peaceful ones. Try telling the Tamilian that he is secessionist because he is ethno-nationalist. Do it from a safe distance, preferably on a long-distance phone line. Just some good advice; you can also do it standing on the Marina Beach. Remember to tell all your friends on PDF where to send the flowers.

My man
did you just reiterated my points
but smarter?
wth