Can India & Pakistan come out of the spiral of mutual destruction ?

[QWECXZ]

Seeing how atheism and agnosticism are growing fast in the world, it could be a possibility after 2040 or 2050.

Also, India is experiencing a faster growth than Pakistan. At some point, the gap between the two countries will be so large that Pakistan may find it reasonable to improve her ties with India. Just like how Mexico does not challenge the US even though the United States has been built on stolen lands from Mexico.

And the likes of Modi should go. Asia will not respect India as long as the likes of Modi are in power.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Yes, perhaps so. In a democratic India, the 'proper' India (as you say) will always remain in power because of the burgeoning population of the area. In the current decade, the parliamentary seats in that belt is expected to double because of delimitation. The entire southern peninsula will soon become as irrelevant to central politics as the north east. This eventuality will only serve to reinforce my view on this matter

Also dude religion is not the reason for tensions
We use relgious divide to shore up our "support base", sure absolutely

But real reason is
A-water B- ethnicity as Pak is populated by northerners and they have historical/cultural connections with kashmiris - it's like you make a country and divide MP from UP

MP will always feel like he belongs to the country UP is in

Now both can use whatever tactics they want (religion, language, ethnicity) to oppose Thier current predicament

 

[.King.]

Less than 5% of indians have ANY racial or genetic connection with Pakistanis. So at least 95% of indians have NO racial or genetic link to Pakistan or Pakistanis WHATSOEVER.

What? Then what race are you from?

Read descriptions of Arabs etc about India, modern day Pakistan is always considered same as India even before British invasion.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Seeing how atheism and agnosticism are growing fast in the world, it could be a possibility after 2040 or 2050.

Also, India is experiencing a faster growth than Pakistan. At some point, the gap between the two countries will be so large that Pakistan may find it reasonable to improve her ties with India. Just like how Mexico does not challenge India even though the United States has been built on stolen lands from Mexico.

And the likes of Modi should go. Asia will not respect India as long as the likes of Modi are in power.

Only Pakistan has the capability to destroy India and get rid of Modi.

PMIK has already put Modi in his place.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

What? Then what race are you from?

Read descriptions of Arabs etc about India, modern day Pakistan is always considered same as India even before British invasion.

That in NO way implies that Pakistanis and indians are the same race. The above means nothing. I have lived in London UK all my life and have seen countless Pakistanis and indians and know full well that both are physically different.

 

[Wood]

Also dude religion is not the reason for tensions
We use relgious divide to shore up our "support base", sure absolutely

But real reason is
A-water B- ethnicity as Pak is populated by northerners and they have historical/cultural connections with kashmiris - it's like you make a country and divide MP from UP

MP will always feel like he belongs to the country UP is in

Now both can use whatever tactics they want (religion, language, ethnicity) to oppose Thier current predicament

Water disputes can be settled with international arbitration. India is treaty bound to give 80% of water (from Indus system) to Pakistan. The only time that India can or will breach this is when there is open war between two countries. War will precede the violation of water treaty, not the other way around.

As for Kashmiris, they are known to say "We are Muslims and therefore, we must be with Pakistan". I've not heard them say that we are ethnically related to Pakistanis. If this is true, then Punjabis in India will also want to join Pakistan

Our opinions are not the same in the matter. Luckily, they are just opinions - neither of us can or should treat them as facts. I've said my piece on this matter

 

[Joe Shearer]

Lots of ways, could name a few. Pakistani meddling in the internal affairs of India on the basis of the idea that it is some sort of "protector" of muslims in the subcontinent, stemming from the same idea that created pakistan (Need for a separate entity to safeguard interests).

It was never about an assumed protectorship of Muslim Indians, it was always the politicised element within the Pakistan Army egging on the religion first lunatic fringe of the country to jump up and down.

Don't forget that the Pakistani people never elected religious fanatics to power. We did.

 

[QWECXZ]

Only Pakistan has the capability to destroy India and get rid of Modi.

PMIK has already put Modi in his place.

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I believe the likes of Modi will not stay in power forever.
I don't know how popular Modi is India, but outside of India, I don't think Modi is seen as a respectable leader. Europeans and Americans don't give a flying f*ck about India and as far as Asia is concerned, I think it's safe to assume that all important Asian countries do not respect the guy.

I think it's only a matter of time until Modi loses power to a reasonable person.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Less than 5% of indians have ANY racial or genetic connection with Pakistanis. So at least 95% of indians have NO racial or genetic link to Pakistan or Pakistanis WHATSOEVER.

Pakistan is made up of Aryans, Turko-Mongols, Persians and Arabs while Indians are primarily Africans.

I believe the likes of Modi will not stay in power forever.
I don't know how popular Modi is India, but outside of India, I don't think Modi is seen as a respectable leader. Europeans and Americans don't give a flying f*ck about India and as far as Asia is concerned, I think it's safe to assume that all important Asian countries do not respect the guy.

West rigs the election to keep Modi in power. It is not easy to remove him as he is a lackey of the West and has full support of the West.

Modi is India's Zelensky.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Water disputes can be settled with international arbitration. India is treaty bound to give 80% of water (from Indus system) to Pakistan. The only time that India can or will breach this is when there is open war between two countries. War will precede the violation of water treaty violation, not the other way around.

As for Kashmiris, they are known to say "We are Muslims and therefore, we must be with Pakistan". I've not heard them say that we are ethnically related to Pakistanis. If this is true, then Punjabis in India will also want to join Pakistan

Our opinions are not the same in the matter. Luckily, they are just opinions - neither of us can or should treat them as facts. I've said my piece on this matter

Ofcourse religion plays a role, no Kashmiri Hindu/Sikh would want anything to do with Pakistan but

Look at the connections between Hindu/Sikhs and that of IP (if you don't you really should, they have very deep connections, they marry, they have family on other side)

Religion although important is not the sole reason for this issue, if you put Karela Muslim in Kashmir
He'd be as Indian as a man from Lucknow

 

[QWECXZ]

West rigs the election to keep Modi in power. It is not easy to remove him as he is lackey of the West and has full support of the West.

Modi is India's Zelensky.

Interesting point of view. How did he come to power in the first place?
India wasn't such an aggressive country 15 years ago.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Kashmir, Jamnagar etc is rather clear why they are related to this. The idea that any existence of muslims as a minority will be by defat a situation of exploitation, leading to their support for other separatist movements as well.

You probably mean Kashmir, Junagadh and Hyderabad.

There were VERY specific reasons for friction between Pakistan and India for this. I could happily explain this to you, but not in a common forum; it has been discussed so often that I dread starting the topic again.

The best two Pakistani members to ask about this are @M. Sarmad, who will present an uncompromising partisan account of the Pakistani case, and @saiyan0321 who has written with startling legal insight and acumen on the legal position of two portions of Kashmir under Pakistani administration. I'm scared stiff that one day he will take time and write about the BJP's lunatic actions on the constitutional front.

I am not denying that there were Pakistani efforts to fish in troubled waters. It is difficult to single that out in the face of their accusations that we have done similar things.

 

[Battlion25]

Honestly I could see a peaceful settlement between the two it is not that difficult and contrary to many the issues is not entirely AK or JK as both sides claim the other has seized land from them but that is not the issue really.

1. If folks like Rahul or other secular elements came to power in India I could see a long peace here in the subcontinent and the only issues is basically RSS-BJP element whos viewed as terrorist element in Pakistan. India seriously use to have alot of sympathiers in Pakistan just 10-15 years ago and India had somewhat of a soft-image but not anywhere since BJP because the less educated has taken power where the Indian intellectuals have been pushed out by people like Yogi? Who is a freaking Priest slush Monk not a statesman at all or politician just a random peasant and now some are saying he will take power and I mean really..

2. The sole reason is RSS period because Pakistan deems this element to be extremist of nature and could prompt from Pakistan a powerful action if the RSS elements get out of hand hence we are at a collision course with the RSS and Pakistan will without a doubt take action against them if an escalation emerges because they are irrational local village type guys who came to power all of sudden and they managed to push out the intellectuals hence they are a wildcard and not properly educated.

3. If folks like Rahul or other normal Indian secularists come to power then I could seriously see Pakistan-India relations going at the right direction hence the loss of BJP is all it takes for good relation and to enter a strong relations stage where even trade flow is highly likely

 

[SuperStar20]

Peace is possible between India and Pakistan in next 5 yrs. For that, India and pakistan should not attack civilians. Bombing/terrorism civilian target is biggest animosity between 2 countries.

Country will not achieve anything by bombing temple, mosque, railway station etc. Both the countries should realize this and work for the peace.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Interesting point of view. How did he come to power in the first place?
India wasn't such an aggressive country 15 years ago.

West created a fight between Hindus and Muslims in India and propped up Modi as savior of the Hindus.