Can IAF afford to Cancel THE MMRCA

[Invincible INDIAN]

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[Pakistanisage]

India should go for Eurofighter as it is the state of the art technology, to replace the outdated Mig 21 inventory.

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

Now this is very much a hypothetical equation..

Another 4 to 5 years are required for MKI to reach to the 270/280 mark.... Upgradation of the entire fleet of Mirage-2000 would take a time period of nine years.... Mig-29s upgradation to be completed by 2013...Tejas requires another 2 to 3 years for complete maturation...

Your figures don not match with the ground realities...

And yeah, MRCA is too expensive and too late.. US$ 158.7 ml per unit (flyaway cost/weapon system cost).

Agree with everything but disagree with the too late part. IAF and MoD can't hurry up the process just because someone can open a thread here and people can like it and thump there chest. The plane would probably serve till 2050, a couple of years here and there don't matter that much. Making sure that the the mechanism for acquisition chooses the best fighter for the IAF without indulging in corrupt practices is what makes this process so long. Alas, our bureaucrats couldn't find something that is fair and speedy.

 

[Emmie]

Agree with everything but disagree with the too late part. IAF and MoD can't hurry up the process just because someone can open a thread here and people can like it and thump there chest. The plane would probably serve till 2050, a couple of years here and there don't matter that much. Making sure that the the mechanism for acquisition chooses the best fighter for the IAF without indulging in corrupt practices is what makes this process so long. Alas, our bureaucrats couldn't find something that is fair and speedy.

Agree.... But I believe IAF must have inducted a couple of squadrons by now, MRCA is inevitable.. This is really getting late.

 

[T90TankGuy]

Agree with everything but disagree with the too late part. IAF and MoD can't hurry up the process just because someone can open a thread here and people can like it and thump there chest. The plane would probably serve till 2050, a couple of years here and there don't matter that much. Making sure that the the mechanism for acquisition chooses the best fighter for the IAF without indulging in corrupt practices is what makes this process so long. Alas, our bureaucrats couldn't find something that is fair and speedy.

thank you a lot of people here feel they know better then the MOD and even the 3 service chiefs . after all they are members of one of the best defense forums out there.

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

Agree.... But I believe IAF must have inducted a couple of squadrons by now, MRCA is inevitable.. This is really getting late.

Even our bureaucrats follow INDIAN STANDARD TIME!!!

 

[Emmie]

^^^ Here, their counterparts are even worse..

 

[SinoChallenger]

in 2007 MMRCA was suppose to cost $10 billion or 42000 core INR...
IN 2007 exchange rate was $42 rupees per dollar.

Today the 2 finalists are suggesting costs of $20 billion (give or take 5%) exchange today id over 50 rupees per dollar. Meaning indian tax pays will have to pay 100,000 core INR for the deal that was suppose to cost 42000 core inr.

THE DECISION should have been made today 26th DEC .

they have delayed it again MANY BELIEVE THE MOD are suggesting alternative should be explored that $20 billion is fat too much for a 4gen mmrca deal which will only arrive in 2014 and license production in 2015.

ITS TOO COSTLY & TOO LATE

Do you guys really believe all these "MMRCA competition winner to be announced XXXX/XX/XX"? There's a new one every month.

Of course indian doesn't have the money to buy Eurofighter or Rafale in large quantities. Look at the rupee. It is in a death spiral going from 53 to 60.

In the time it took for india to make a decision which aircraft to purchase, and for all your corrupt babus to take a cut, China has already developed a stealth fighter.

 

[janon]

Do you guys really believe all these "MMRCA competition winner to be announced XXXX/XX/XX"? There's a new one every month.

Of course indian doesn't have the money to buy Eurofighter or Rafale in large quantities. Look at the rupee. It is in a death spiral going from 53 to 60.
In the time it took for india to make a decision which aircraft to purchase, and for all your corrupt babus to take a cut, China has already developed a stealth fighter.

Point one: No, we don't believe the periodic time quotes. As Indians, we are used to that in every government activity. But we do believe that we will get the MRCAs pretty soon. If you don't believe that, good for you, may your beliefs or lack of beliefs make you happy.

Point two: Of course India has the money. And if you knew anything about international deals (which you clearly don't), you would know that long term purchases are not decided on the basis on instantaneous exchange rates. There are certain price fixing mechanisms that ensure that any future change in exchange rates of any currency are born by both parties, and will not affect the REAL VALUE of the deal appreciably. I cannot explain the details, since this is not a place where you can expect to get free economics classes. Suffice to say that the value of a 20 year deal is not decided on the current rate of any currency.

Point three: No it hasn't. There is a non flying prototype as of now. NOTHING is known about its capabilities as of now. Which is not to say that it won't turn out well, but as of now you can't call it developed. It will take several years more, just as it is taking for Russia with PAK-FA, just as it is taking for the USA with F-35, both of which are far more developed as of today than the J-20. China does not have supernatural powers.

 

[Zabaniyah]

The airframe of F-16 (1976) is 25 years older than EF or Rafael (2000). If putting modern electronics on older frames could work then why just go 25 years back, we should just upgrade our Migs (1959).

The F-16 is a very proven platform.

I think one of the reasons for rejecting the F-16 and Gripen was due to limited range. But you have to admit, the Americans offered a solid package.

European birds are just damn expensive. Me thinks they are asking for too much.

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China has already developed a stealth fighter.

J-20 is still in prototype stages.

 

[janon]

J-20 is still in prototype stages.

Tiny details like that don't matter to trolls.

 

[Pak47]

I don't think so.. because.. lets say you do cancel the contract tomorrow, These countries that have offered the planes on the MMRCA to begin with will never take you seriously again.

 

[Storm Force]

Now this is very much a hypothetical equation..

Another 4 to 5 years are required for MKI to reach to the 270/280 mark.... Upgradation of the entire fleet of Mirage-2000 would take a time period of nine years.... Mig-29s upgradation to be completed by 2013...Tejas requires another 2 to 3 years for complete maturation...

Your figures don not match with the ground realities...

And yeah, MRCA is too expensive and too late.. US$ 158.7 ml per unit (flyaway cost/weapon system cost).Original Post By Emmie

Those dates of 2017 ARE FINE

IAF will have 270 su30mki by 2017 AS THEY have 150+ ALREADY & HAL has is assemblying 14 per year at present withy 42 SU30MK MK3 coming from russia between 2014-2017

The Jaguar & mig29 upg will be dobe by 2014 NOT 2017 and the mirage2000 upgrade runs at 6 planes per year started NOW so by 2017 36 of the 51 will be upgraded

TEJAS mk1 FOC is slated for this NEXT year AND EVEN AT ONLY 8 PLANES per year IAF will be at 40 planes by 2017

HECK 2017 is 6 years away (i know IAF is slow but surely i have been very pessimistic with my nos)

 

[Storm Force]

PAK 47 i would hope IAF will never buy AGAIN and indengious only ie LCA & AMCA with joint ventures only ie PAK FA FGFA

I hope that MMRCA will be last OFF THE SHELF purchase even with license assembly OR simply cancel now and go with this baby x 140 mk1 & mk2

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ITS A SHAME that LCA is taking its time FOR ME ITS the peerfect REPLACEMENT FOR MIG21

 

[Pak47]

PAK 47 i would hope IAF will never buy AGAIN and indengious only ie LCA & AMCA with joint ventures only ie PAK FA FGFA

I hope that MMRCA will be last OFF THE SHELF purchase even with license assembly OR simply cancel now and go with this baby x 140 mk1 & mk2

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ITS A SHAME that LCA is taking its time FOR ME ITS the peerfect REPLACEMENT FOR MIG21

Self reliance is always.. good.. but you can't completely isolate the doors to foreign countries. Especially with that.. American Engine on the LCA. With many other foreign equipment being used on it..