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Can the history of India’s humiliation at the hands of China in 1962 repeat itself? As we approach the 50th anniversary of the humiliation next month, we have to analyse this question in depth in our governmental national security community as well as outside. It is important for the National Security Council Secretariat (NSCS) to organise a series of brainstorming on this subject with the participation of experts on China from the government and outside.

The starting point of such a brainstorming has to be a presumption that the present efforts to solve our border dispute with China through talks may not succeed and that we may be confronted with a fresh military confrontation in the future. Should such a confrontation arise, are we better prepared to face it today than we were in 1962? If not, what are the deficiencies, and how do we remove them?

It is important for us to objectively identify the factors that led to the 1962 humiliation and examine to what extent they have been addressed. It is also important to foresee what kind of new factors that were not seen in 1962 could arise and what implications they could have for our capabilities.

It is my view that our ability to prevent another humiliation in the future would depend upon our trans-Himalayan military strategy and capability as it did in 1962. The roles of the Army and the Air Force in such a strategy will be pre-eminent. The role of the Navy will be marginal. It will be our trans-Himalayan strategic mindset and tactical thinking that will determine the future course of any new military confrontation with China as it did in 1962.

I would identify the following as the basic causes of our humiliation of 1962:

(a) Though our civilian and military intelligence agencies had a satisfactory capability to collect infrastructure intelligence from Tibet, their capability to collect war indicators from Tibet was very poor. They detected in time the clandestine Chinese construction of roads such as the Aksai Chin road in the Western sector, but they missed the Chinese preparations for a military foray into our territory. The Chinese attack on our positions must have been preceded by weeks, if not months, of preparations on the ground in Tibet. The war indicators caused by such preparations were missed by our intelligence agencies.

(b) Our capability to analyse and assess China-related intelligence was inadequate. Even the limited intelligence flowing from Tibet from human and technical sources was not subjected to vigorous analysis and assessment. Our knowledge and assessment of the Chinese military thinking and mindset were poor. We hardly knew anything about the India expertise in the PLA and the Chinese intelligence. As a result, we seriously underestimated the Chinese political and military will to assert their ground interests across the Himalayas and over-assessed and over-projected our capability to anticipate and neutralise any Chinese assertion of their will.

(c) Inadequate professionalism in our armed forces and their inability to foresee different scenarios that could arise and identify the available options. This lack of professionalism was seen right across the board—from the failure to procure the military stores that would be required for a trans-Himalayan war to re-adapting the training of our officers. The Army went into war with very little training and experience in mountain warfare and with very few equipment for such a warfare.

(d) The inexperience of our political leadership in military-related decision-making and in enforcing the implementation of the decisions taken.

My assessment of the present position regarding these factors is as follows:

(a) Our intelligence collection capability in Tibet has improved. Our intelligence agencies are unlikely to miss war indicators in Tibet as badly as they did in 1962.

(b) Our analysis and assessment capability has improved over what it was in 1962, but continues to be inadequate. The Chinese language capability of our national security community is worse than what it was in 1962 and in the years immediately thereafter. Our ability to understand and analyse the Chinese military mindset and thinking continues to be poor. Whatever capability we have built up in this regard has been largely influenced by Western thinking and analysis without an independent application of our mind. Our analysis and assessment infrastructure in respect of China-related intelligence lags behind our analysis and assessment infrastructure in respect of Pakistan-related intelligence. We can anticipate, analyse and counter Pakistan better than we can China. There are wild swings in our assessments on China—from alarmism on the one side to total complacency on the other.

(c) The professionalism of our armed forces has improved. They are better equipped, better trained and better led for a trans-Himalayan warfare today. But there is a lack of convergence of thinking between the Army and the Air Force on the one side and the Navy on the other as to what China implies for our national security and armed forces. There is inadequate integrated joint staff thinking in the armed forces as a whole on China. There is a newly-acquired fascination for naval power and an inadequate appreciation of the continuing importance of military (Army related) and air power.

(d) The understanding of our political class in matters relating to strategic decision-making on China is inadequate though it is better than what it was in 1962 and the years before. There is a clear understanding in our political class of China as a political and economic competitor, but inadequate comprehension of China as a military factor.

Two new factors that have made their appearance since 1962 have not received adequate attention in our national security community:

(a) The Chinese search for alternative means of taking India by surprise. In 1962, they took us by surprise because our intelligence agencies had little capability for collecting war indictors from the ground in Tibet. The Chinese no longer enjoy this advantage. The increasing Chinese emphasis on the role of the helicopter-borne operations of their Army has to be seen in the context of their search for new means of taking India by surprise—particularly in Arunachal Pradesh. The equipping and training of the copter wing of their Army is receiving increasing attention with some major exercises already noticed.

(b) The Chinese testing and fine-tuning of integrated techniques of an Army-Air Force role in defending Tibet from external threats and in asserting their will trans-Himalayas. There has been an increase in the number of Air Force exercises in Tibet. There is inadequate knowledge of Chinese Air Force exercises in Yunnan, but my surmise is that in any future military confrontation with India, the Chinese will use their Air Force defensively from Tibet and offensively from Yunnan.

In 1962, the entire North Myanmar was a political, administrative and military vacuum. The Myanmar government presence has since improved in the Rakhine (old Arakan) and Chin areas bordering Bangladesh, but remains the same in the Kachin State bordering Yunnan. The Kachin State and Yunnan are very important in any trans-Himalayan military strategy. We continue to neglect these two important regions from the point of view of our intelligence coverage as we were doing before 1962. Kachin State is important for defending our North-East in any new confrontation with China. Rakhine State is important for our Indian Ocean objectives and our energy security.

I do not consider it necessary to touch upon the nuclear aspect in this analysis. It has to be discussed in camera.

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B Raman is a trained diplomat and he knows what to say in public and what not. His tactic is similar to what H S Wong did after the bombing of Shanghai South Station to gain world wide sympathy and support. But in reality, in 1962, neither India nor China lost the war as the war could not come to its culminating point. It was, however, India which gained more than what China could achieve as it lost its lands to India. India lost more lives but was able to snatch lands from the Chinese. So, the Indian sacrifice of lives was worth of it. Its a propaganda to say that India lost the war in 1962 because if anybody examines the course of war, he will surely understand that the war stopped before its natural ending. It was like cease fire and that is why still there is LAC.

But what will happen the moment this ceasefire like situation comes to an end? I have analysed that situation in this thread: Please read and comment.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...paradrop-training-near-lac-2.html#post3417112
 
B Raman is a trained diplomat and he knows what to say in public and what not. His tactic is similar to what H S Wong did after the bombing of Shanghai South Station to gain world wide sympathy and support. But in reality, in 1962, neither India nor China lost the war as the war could not come to its culminating point. It was, however, India which gained more than what China could achieve as it lost its lands to India. India lost more lives but was able to snatch lands from the Chinese. So, the Indian sacrifice of lives was worth of it. Its a propaganda to say that India lost the war in 1962 because if anybody examines the course of war, he will surely understand that the war stopped before its natural ending. It was like cease fire and that is why still there is LAC.

But what will happen the moment this ceasefire like situation comes to an end? I have analysed that situation in this thread: Please read and comment.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...paradrop-training-near-lac-2.html#post3417112

What in your mind was the ' culminating point' that was not reached ?

If this was not a defeat ( read rout) when areas as far deep as Tezpur were begun to be evacuated I wonder what will be.

Yet, the defeat did us good - it shook the nation to its roots and shed the complacency and was the foundation to the victory nine years later.
 
What in your mind was the ' culminating point' that was not reached ?

If this was not a defeat ( read rout) when areas as far deep as Tezpur were begun to be evacuated I wonder what will be.

Yet, the defeat did us good - it shook the nation to its roots and shed the complacency and was the foundation to the victory nine years later.

The culminating point: either Tibet would have been part of India or Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh would have been part of China as according to the respective missions of India and China before the conflict broke out.

Tezpur was evacuated in advance because the entire northeast India was considered as the theater of war by the Indian strategists. It does not necessarily mean Chinese had the intention to come to Tezpur. And also, Indians from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar who had earlier settled in Assam were temporarily evacuated not the Chinese looking tribals or low caste mountain dwellers of Assam and other northeast states. Please study more about that evacuation.

Indian military power would have gradually grown at the same rate with or without any conflict with anybody. Growth of military power depends on many factors not on a single conflict.
 
Its a propaganda to say that India lost the war in 1962 because if anybody examines the course of war, he will surely understand that the war stopped before its natural ending. It was like cease fire and that is why still there is LAC.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...military-humiliation-india.html#ixzz26jBlH0Jf
Why wasn't there a so called 'natural ending? Unknown to many is the fact that the Chinese offensive into Arunachal in 1962 petered out due to a major tactical blunder. And that is, failure of a foolproof logistics plan that seemed to go awry after day 20 of the conflict.

According to as yet secret Lt Gen Henderson Brooks who authored the Henderson Brooks Report, a few extracts of which were obtained by Neville Maxwell and included in his book, India's China War, one of the main reasons why the Chinese withdrew was due to the breakdown of logistics. The battles on many fronts stalled as the PLA soldiers were down to 'eating grass and weeds', as also hundreds falling sick drinking water from streams and rivulets as well as dirty snow.

As if this wasn't enough, the supply of replacement weapons/spares and ammo were fast drying up as the lines of communications were getting disrupted due to inhospitable terrain where PLA troops had overstretched themselves. Looking over your shoulder for administrative backup is the worst that can happen in combat and leads to disaster.

This prompted an immediate call for a ceasefire and subsequent withdrawal of all PLA troops by China. As can be seen, there was absolutely no question of the PLA holding ground captured by them in Arunachal Pradesh, leave alone rolling down into the plains of Assam as some contend. That was impossible and never an option.
 
Why wasn't there a so called 'natural ending? Unknown to many is the fact that the Chinese offensive into Arunachal in 1962 petered out due to a major tactical blunder. And that is, failure of a foolproof logistics plan that seemed to go awry after day 20 of the conflict.

According to as yet secret Lt Gen Henderson Brooks who authored the Henderson Brooks Report, a few extracts of which were obtained by Neville Maxwell and included in his book, India's China War, one of the main reasons why the Chinese withdrew was due to the breakdown of logistics. The battles on many fronts stalled as the PLA soldiers were down to 'eating grass and weeds', as also hundreds falling sick drinking water from streams and rivulets as well as dirty snow.

As if this wasn't enough, the supply of replacement weapons/spares and ammo were fast drying up as the lines of communications were getting disrupted due to inhospitable terrain where PLA troops had overstretched themselves. Looking over your shoulder for administrative backup is the worst that can happen in combat and leads to disaster.

This prompted an immediate call for a ceasefire and subsequent withdrawal of all PLA troops by China. As can be seen, there was absolutely no question of the PLA holding ground captured by them in Arunachal Pradesh, leave alone rolling down into the plains of Assam as some contend. That was impossible and never an option.

In other words, PLA failed to retrieve their South Tibet and Ladakh but at the same time succeeded to resist the Indian army to penetrate deep into Tibet. So they considered declaring a ceasefire because they knew they had permanently lost South Tibet and Ladakh to India. They just wanted to keep other parts of Tibet safe.

Before the war broke out, PLA knew very well that Indian forward posts will not stop and will continue advancing because India had the mission to annex Tibet with India soon after the Shimla Conference. This was why Chinese military prepared for a major battle to protect Tibet which somehow they achieved but at the expense of South Tibet and Ladakh. India's mission was to annex Tibet which India could not but India snatched some lands from the Chinese like South Tibet/Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh, so India was able to gain some at the expense of bigger causality. That was why the war ended as a stalemate for both. India did not have the logistics at that time to capture and annex entire Tibet. Chinese did not have the capability to retrieve what India had already captured from them.

However, it should be noted that India did not lose any original Indian land to Chinese. This is why Indian military power appeared superior to that of the Chinese.
 
Firstly 62 was not an humiliation if person analyse it in detail,otherwise dont have time for chinese circus :lol:

I just wonder what type of humans these Chinese are. If there was any humiliation, it was for the Chinese not Indians because it is them who lost their lands (India only lost a few more soldiers than them) to India. I think their CCP has brainwashed them to the extent that they think they won the war.
 
I just wonder what type of humans these Chinese are. If there was any humiliation, it was for the Chinese not Indians because it is them who lost their lands (India only lost a few more soldiers than them) to India. I think their CCP has brainwashed them to the extent that they think they won the war.

See yar,Our govt too have hidden a lot and dont tell facts coz it was huge mistake.

I dont know the general name of that time but i know when indira asked manekshaw before 71 that r u prepared? he said yes we are.

but when nehru asked general b4 62 war,r u prepared? he said yes we are but they were not and he lied at that time.

2) why dint govt send back up in war? Those 10k soldiers fought bravely even few of them managed to keep chinese busy for several hours without ammunition.They dint have shoes even to fight in cold weather but they did.

if you look wisely,its humiliation for nehru that he backed off and dint sent back up otherwise army fought bravely and outsmarted the chinese.


+ numbers too matters 80k chinese fighting with 10k indian and our kill ratio was better and we still have arunachal :)

so its defeat for nehru and lesson for chinese not for indian army :).

so leave aside the zombies here on pdf n there in media,one shud go n see facts.
 
Firstly 62 was not an humiliation if person analyse it in detail,otherwise dont have time for chinese circus :lol:

Fir bhi we need to improve infrastructure along LAC, need more roads and rail lines in far flung areas.
 
I think japan can repeat what it did to china ..but i have doubts over your ability to do the same against india
 
I think japan can repeat what it did to china ..but i have doubts over your ability to do the same against india

If you look at their so called soldiers ....

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...paradrop-training-near-lac-2.html#post3417378

.... you will have serious doubt whether their soldiers have more physical strength than the Indian women. Just look at their soldiers, do they look like soldiers? They don't even look like a chocolate hero of Bollywood.

Actually, in 1962 India decided not to capture and annex Tibet immediately. But I am sure if India launches a major offensive this time, Tibet will be with India within weeks. Now, Indians need to be pragmatic, annexing Tibet with India will serve India's interests.
 
lol chinese high IQ...

B Raman is Additional Secretary (Retired) in the Cabinet Secretariat, Government of India. He is currently Director of the Institute for Topical Studies, Chennai; and Associate of the Chennai Centre for China Studies. Republished with permission from the Chennai Centre for China Studies.

sorry mate i didnt know B Raman is chinese:rofl:
 
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