kidwaibhai
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retarded topic. waste of time. me is out
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Yes but geography plays a part in distinguishing one countries culture, society from another.
So a Baloch is not similar to a Punjabi or a Bengali and a Pastun!
A map would not amalgamate cultures and societies.
Our cultures and our attitudes are similar enough that we get on well with each other and are proud to be pakistanis. Most of the people of pakistan get on fine with other ethnic groups, there are always exceptions though but these are in the minority.
Doesn't appears so given what has been happening.
I'm not human? what are you on about. I didn't demean him one bit.
You are proving Jinnah to be incorrect. Check your post.
No you do want a wider ummah so dont say "i dont". Dont tell me what I should accept or presume to know about my beliefs, its none of your business
Why not?
Answer the question rather than get tangential. Can't once wax on the issue of ummah and when convenient, wane on it!
IF indians had a brain they wouldn't interject in here. but are you a muslim by any chance? as many a hindu have this tendency to pose as muslims in pk/bd fora. lol
By that logic, then one should not comment on anything since it does not concern anyone! Good logic!
Since you have no clue of names used in India, you should continue to remain confused.
And India is not a preserve of Hindus alone, in the event you are not aware of the fine distinction and instead are guided by your brainwashed opinions,
are you retarded? i dont know but may be you are. i did mention a 1,000 miles of hostile indian territory separating pakistan and bangladesh that ensures (to this day) that there can never be a successful unity amongst these brotherly people as long as indian hostile territory of a thousand miles is well indian/hindustani.
that needs to be captures and a CONTIGUOUS stretch of land from bangladesh to pakistan, from sylhet/chittagong all the way through bihar uttar pradesh delhi etc to baluchistan and sarhad is what'll work. then there'll be 'middle men' indians who're muslims in north india that'll bridge the gap between two extremities of subcontinental muslims. (geographically at two extremes are bd and pk)
Not as clueless as you are displaying.
Brotherly or sisterly feeling, you have no clue of strategy or of military planning, even though being contiguous is helpful. It is so evident.
Daydreaming that Indian Moslems will help you will also not help. What do you think the majority of Indian Moslems are?
salim said:So a Baloch is not similar to a Punjabi or a Bengali and a Pastun!
A map would not amalgamate cultures and societies.
Doesn't appears so given what has been happening.
You are proving Jinnah to be incorrect. Check your post.
Why not?
Answer the question rather than get tangential. Can't once wax on the issue of ummah and when convenient, wane on it!
Jana,.
Nothing wrong with my intelligence.
Something is wrong with yours since you do not understand the concept of ummah out of sheer convenience!!
The phrase Ummah Wahida in the Qur'an (the "One Community") refers to all of the Islamic world unified. The Quran says: “You [Muslims] are the best nation brought out for Mankind, commanding what is righteous (Ma'ruf - lit. "recognized [as good]") and forbidding what is wrong (Munkar - lit. "unrecognized [as good]")....” [3:110]
there is big difference between senses and intellegence.
even if something is wrong with me i dont see any logic in your comments about Ummah.
1. The phrase Wahida used for one comunity i.e entire Muslim community is ummah. its not neccessarily that all Muslim countries should be one big State.
hence creation of Bangladesh does not mean it had defied ummah as being propogated by you.
Bangladesh is still a Muslim country that makes it part of Muslim ummah and not otherwise.
Jana,
Totally puerile a thought!
If India wanted to make it a part of India or make it a surrogate, it should have done what US is doing in Iraq.
you mean India can make Bangladesh a part of India if India wants ?? and you think the same self-respecting Bangladeshis will allow india to make them indian slaves ???
secondly what US is doing in Iraq the entire world knows that US is licking its wonds rather than succeeding in taming Iraqis. so dont tell me India can conquer Bangladesh.
Because this type of sentiments I have seen on Pak forum which take Bangaldeshis as rice eating dark weakling compared to the big talk of the West Pakistan of racial supremacy, is the reason why self respecting Bengalis discarded Pakistan!
well Birgadier Ray Sir, the same can be said about Indians too.
In the similiar manner here Pakistani people from Punjab are also not fair and in the most cases they also dark and eat rice in dinner about 90 % of them eat rice at dinner so your accusation of racial supremacy about West Pakistan is not fit well with arguments for Bangladesh separation.
We had realised and did accept there was mistakes on political front from our side that led to poking of nose by Indians into the entire affair.
Its time the indians should accept they exploit the situation and were dreaming to unite BD but bravo Bangladeshis they did maintained their status.
Have courage and live with reality and not live in denial and delusions!
Only Wonder of BD, razzakar and collaborators, who are not Bengalis, who accept such insult and live with it.
.I am a Bengali and though not a Bangladeshi, I find it insulting and the Wonder must be razaakaar!
what a hypocracy what about all those Muslims who chose to remain in India and today they are still being called traitors and asked to go to Pakistan. Should they be called razzakaar too ?
BTW we did not loos BD to India as you claimed.
BD Is still an independent Muslim Nation which is now accused by India of terroris.
The poor Bangladeshi are killed on border with India brutally by Indian Border Forces on pretext of Infiltrating.
and still India has this border dispute with Bangladesh over few kilometers.
Salim said:While I understand the anguish of the Pakistanis for losing out Bangladesh and ruining all the concept of ummah and the two nation theory and more so,having lost out to the arch rival, India, and I think they have reasons to feel so, I have a few questions for you.
Jana said:In the similiar manner here Pakistani people from Punjab are also not fair and in the most cases they also dark and eat rice in dinner about 90 % of them eat rice at dinner so your accusation of racial supremacy about West Pakistan is not fit well with arguments for Bangladesh separation.
there is big difference between senses and intellegence.
even if something is wrong with me i dont see any logic in your comments about Ummah.
1. The phrase Wahida used for one comunity i.e entire Muslim community is ummah. its not neccessarily that all Muslim countries should be one big State.
hence creation of Bangladesh does not mean it had defied ummah as being propogated by you.
Bangladesh is still a Muslim country that makes it part of Muslim ummah and not otherwise.
A very convenient interpretation by you.
A caliphate is the Islamic form of government representing the political unity and leadership of the Muslim world. The head of state (Caliph) has a position based on the notion of a successor to Muhammad's political authority; according to Sunnis ideally elected by the people or their representatives, and according to the Shia an Imam desended in a line from the Ahl ul-Bayt. From the time of Muhammad until 1924, successive caliphates were held by various dynasties, including the Umayyads, Abbasids, and finally Ottomans.
The caliphate is the only form of governance that has full approval in traditional Islamic theology, and "is the core political concept of Sunni Islam, by the consensus of the Muslim majority in the early centuries."
Hence, the temporal manifestation of the ummah!
you mean India can make Bangladesh a part of India if India wants ?? and you think the same self-respecting Bangladeshis will allow india to make them indian slaves ???
Not can.
Could have hung around.
But India wisely quit!
Bangladeshis are no slaves and never will be. That is why they split. The attitude of Scorpion, amongst others, is an adequate indicator why they split.
secondly what US is doing in Iraq the entire world knows that US is licking its wonds rather than succeeding in taming Iraqis. so dont tell me India can conquer Bangladesh.
Really?
The Sunnis are now playing ball and have jumped on to the bandwagon!
well Birgadier Ray Sir, the same can be said about Indians too.
In the similiar manner here Pakistani people from Punjab are also not fair and in the most cases they also dark and eat rice in dinner about 90 % of them eat rice at dinner so your accusation of racial supremacy about West Pakistan is not fit well with arguments for Bangladesh separation.
Racial arrogance is evident amongst the Punjabis over the others. I have given enough links from the Pak media in various threads. Read them instead of being superficial and start haranguing on the same old tripe!
We had realised and did accept there was mistakes on political front from our side that led to poking of nose by Indians into the entire affair.
Its time the indians should accept they exploit the situation and were dreaming to unite BD but bravo Bangladeshis they did maintained their status.
You have had no option but to realise and understand and accept.
Do you and did you have any other option?
what a hypocracy what about all those Muslims who chose to remain in India and today they are still being called traitors and asked to go to Pakistan. Should they be called razzakaar too ?
If they were called so, then the Australian case would not have been fought by the Indian govt.
BTW we did not loos BD to India as you claimed.
BD Is still an independent Muslim Nation which is now accused by India of terroris.
I don't understand what you mean that you have not lost East Paksitan, now Bangladesh.
It is an independent nation and therefore is not a part of Pakistan.
The poor Bangladeshi are killed on border with India brutally by Indian Border Forces on pretext of Infiltrating.
and still India has this border dispute with Bangladesh over few kilometers.
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.
the rubaiyat - omar khayyam - 11th century
Therefore, the problems India has with Bangaldesh and vice versa will still not get Pakistan Bangaldesh back! No tears, no wit, no piety shall lure or wipe a line of their independent status!
bdwonder are u nuts? Not many pakistanis want places like uttar pradesh, bihar, chittagong as part of Pakistan.
If bengalis want part of India then fight for it, don't try to lump us in with your stupid plans and use the " my brother in islam" line of argument.
Even if there was a contiguous stretch of land from Balochistan to Assam or whereever, it still wouldnt work, unless Bangladesh had lots of autonomy. I think under the Mughal Empire, it was possible to hold Bangladesh along with the other region of North India, only because Bharati power was annihilated. Who could the Bangladeshis have sided with to beat the Mughal Empire? Bharat was too weak. But siding with Bharat in '71 would have given them the edge. If you really wanted Bangladesh and Pakistan to work, you'd need a very powerful army. One that could fight off Bangladesh and India combining forces. One doesn't exist right now. Anyway, it's best not to join the two together.
mr "salim's" posts reveal a pathetic and sneaky trait common amongst indians, one such characteristic is assuming not only names but customs cultures mannerisms etc of the conquerors. in case of forums, what they do is assume muslim name while they're hindu in a muslim majority forum.
they like to hide under such banner.