Can Aegis Stop China’s Carrier Killer Missiles?

[foxhound]

Salaam.....

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Can Aegis Stop China’s Carrier Killer Missiles?

A Lockheed official today gave a predictably cryptic answer to questions regarding the the ability of the defense giant’s Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense system to protect against China’s DF-21D carrier killer missiles.

“We’re constantly looking at the evolution of our Aegis BMD capability to keep pace with threats,” said Lisa Callahan Lockheed’s vice president in charge of the Aegis program during a Jan. 5 phone call with reporters. “While I can’t talk specifically about the capabilities we have against specific threats…we are definitely working to evolve our system to keep pace with the threats as they evolve.”
Callahan refused to comment when pressed on whether the current Aegis BMD system can protect against the DF-21D.

Wonder how long it will be before we come up with a way of defending our carriers from this system? It may mean developing carrier-borne strike aircraft with longer ranges or adjusting concepts of operation to keep the carriers farther off China’s coast. The latter could mean U.S. Navy and Marine Corps jets would have to refuel more often, fly longer missions and/or carry reduced weapons loads.

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[Thomas]

Salaam.....

Ref:http://defensetech.org/


Can Aegis Stop China’s Carrier Killer Missiles?

A Lockheed official today gave a predictably cryptic answer to questions regarding the the ability of the defense giant’s Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense system to protect against China’s DF-21D carrier killer missiles.

“We’re constantly looking at the evolution of our Aegis BMD capability to keep pace with threats,” said Lisa Callahan Lockheed’s vice president in charge of the Aegis program during a Jan. 5 phone call with reporters. “While I can’t talk specifically about the capabilities we have against specific threats…we are definitely working to evolve our system to keep pace with the threats as they evolve.”
Callahan refused to comment when pressed on whether the current Aegis BMD system can protect against the DF-21D.

Wonder how long it will be before we come up with a way of defending our carriers from this system? It may mean developing carrier-borne strike aircraft with longer ranges or adjusting concepts of operation to keep the carriers farther off China’s coast. The latter could mean U.S. Navy and Marine Corps jets would have to refuel more often, fly longer missions and/or carry reduced weapons loads.

Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz1AMz4LIAX
Defense.org

People forget how easy it is to track ballistic missiles and thier warheads. There is plenty of time from launch to impact to employ counter measures. A carrier group has hundreds of anti missiles to use in defense. And Aegis can track and target 100+ Simultaneously.

 

[LeGenD]

In a most recent test of Aegis BMD system, it successfully intercepted a 1000 km class ballistic missile.

 

[Gene]

First of all clear the doubt,,can chinese ballistic missile hit a moving aircraft carrier????

 

[Impasse]

First of all clear the doubt,,can chinese ballistic missile hit a moving aircraft carrier????

That shouldn't be questionable I guess.. it definitely can..

 

[Thomas]

First of all clear the doubt,,can chinese ballistic missile hit a moving aircraft carrier????

It's possible! the Question is can China's. Plus how effective is the system going to be once it's main radar is taken out. If China and the U.S. did go to war you can bet it would be taken out early on. Before a carrier force came into missile range.

 

[KS]

It's possible! the Question is can China's. Plus how effective is the system going to be once it's main radar is taken out. If China and the U.S. did go to war you can bet it would be taken out early on. Before a carrier force came into missile range.

I dont understand it,

Wont the missile be having its own onboard guidance systems ?

 

[Thomas]

I dont understand it,

Wont the missile be having its own onboard guidance systems ?

the carrier group is tracked targeted by an over the horizon radar. you can't shoot what you can't see.

 

[Obambam]

the carrier group is tracked targeted by an over the horizon radar. you can't shoot what you can't see.

Yes over the horizon radar is something which China already has. I am sure when they design weapons they would have considered all the potential counter measures that the US would have at their disposal. Then again US can only see or track what their satellites allows them to see

 

[gambit]

I dont understand it,

Wont the missile be having its own onboard guidance systems ?

Not all. The Scud type is quite primitive and have only a rudimentary inertial stabilization, not navigation, guidance system. If anything, calling it 'guidance' is being generous. On the other hand, there is no reason to doubt China's ability to install more sophisticated guidance mechanisms beyond stability into the DF-21. The problem, not only for China but for all militaries, is that a missile, like an aircraft, is heavily penalized by weight and internal volume limitation. The more sophisticated anything outside of the explosive device, the less weight and internal volume available for that explosive device. That is why ballistic missiles beyond the 1000km range are usually nuclear -- to maximize the destruction level. For the DF-21, its area of yielded destruction would be in the tens of meters square at best. It is enough to do serious damages to a ship, provided its own guidance system is sophisticated enough to track such a moving target. For now, it is too early to tell of that sophistication.

 

[gambit]

Yes over the horizon radar is something which China already has. I am sure when they design weapons they would have considered all the potential counter measures that the US would have at their disposal. Then again US can only see or track what their satellites allows them to see

Do you have any ideas on how large is an over-the-horizon antenna or array...??? How about this large...???

If the system is a ground array of dipole rod antennas, the array would be in acres, or at around one hectare. Over-the-horizon (OTH) radars operate on meters length freq and given their quite difficult mobility, if possible, their locations will be known and targeted. Once destroyed or damaged, their efficacy as long range 'eyes' for the DF-21 will be severely limited.

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Whats a deal even Brahmos II is a carrier killer...

Its more acurate and Aegis cannot even detect it.

Its highy maneuverable at sea it can fly just 4 meter above the water and it can hit the Bulls eye(Communication and control tower).

Senior Pls comments is it possible with 300 kg of CL-20’ with real time guidence from RISAT 2

 

[Obambam]

Do you have any ideas on how large is an over-the-horizon antenna or array...??? How about this large...???

If the system is a ground array of dipole rod antennas, the array would be in acres, or at around one hectare. Over-the-horizon (OTH) radars operate on meters length freq and given their quite difficult mobility, if possible, their locations will be known and targeted. Once destroyed or damaged, their efficacy as long range 'eyes' for the DF-21 will be severely limited.

What makes you think that we are not aware of its size? DF-21D doesn't feed on just one source of data, it works in conjuction with a network of eyes and sensors that China already possess. Please read up on "network centric warfare" to get the fuller picture.

On the side note, what makes you think the US can effectively take out China's missiles without suffering the same losses on your side? China is also very capable in terms of cyber and space warfare.

 

[gambit]

What makes you think that we are not aware of its size?

The Chinese military leadership does. But YOU do not. Until now. You are just like the rest who has not only an unrealistic expectations from reading news releases and generic commentaries, but a non-realist expectations as well. It is understandable because you have no experience in the subject.

DF-21D doesn't feed on just one source of data, it works in conjuction with a network of eyes and sensors that China already possess. Please read up on "network centric warfare" to get the fuller picture.

Please do not attempt to lecture or even 'inform' me on 'network centric' warfare. As far as other sources of data for guidance goes, every method has its weaknesses. The problem for everyone is how to cover for when the method is lost or degraded.

On the side note, what makes you think the US can effectively take out China's missiles without suffering the same losses on your side? China is also very capable in terms of cyber and space warfare.

A flight of B-1s will distract China's coastal air defenses. They will worry of not just the seen but also the unseen, which will be the B-2s, for example.

 

[casual]

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