Can Aegis Stop China’s Carrier Killer Missiles?

[Obambam]

The Chinese military leadership does. But YOU do not. Until now. You are just like the rest who has not only an unrealistic expectations from reading news releases and generic commentaries, but a non-realist expectations as well. It is understandable because you have no experience in the subject.

I find your comments somewhat contradicting. You came on and talked about how the US carriers, stealth fighters, bombers and what not will destroy China and its capabilities. Yet you dare run your mouth off at others rubbishing their comments and add in your accusations that others are not knowledgable on these subjects?
Wow.. you sir is one arrogant speaker. Who are you trying to kid here? You may win Oscars from the unwashed masses of the American public but not the well informed people on the other side of the world.

Please do not attempt to lecture or even 'inform' me on 'network centric' warfare. As far as other sources of data for guidance goes, every method has its weaknesses. The problem for everyone is how to cover for when the method is lost or degraded.

I am glad that you are finally starting to talk with a bit more sense. let me remind you here, Americans aren't the only ones in the world with the brains and technologies.

A flight of B-1s will distract China's coastal air defenses. They will worry of not just the seen but also the unseen, which will be the B-2s, for example.

There you go, eating on your own words. You must be the American military leadership that we don't know about. Keep dreaming of your toys. It is clear to me that you are one confused human being.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Whats a deal even Brahmos II is a carrier killer...

Its more acurate and Aegis cannot even detect it.

Its highy maneuverable at sea it can fly just 4 meter above the water and it can hit the Bulls eye(Communication and control tower).

Senior Pls comments is it possible with 300 kg of CL-20’ with real time guidence from RISAT 2

Indeed, the whole world especially the United States Military has been left stunned how India managed to develop this super duper technology which one can only believe Martians can field.

I strongly believe that India has links with the Martian Race, after all its impossible for humans to come up with technology like SU30MKI, Arjun, LCA, Insaas etc. Indian pilots are capable of sustaining 40G's, no other human in this world can sustain more than 12G but the Indians certainly can.

Thus my conclusion is correct, with the help of the Martians India has became the most superior country and race in the world.

 

[khurasaan1]

more like

if china and U.S. go to war, we would all die

yes ...is possible....ummm
so dont make no problem for nobody...

 

[Thomas]

Whats a deal even Brahmos II is a carrier killer...

Its more acurate and Aegis cannot even detect it.

Its highy maneuverable at sea it can fly just 4 meter above the water and it can hit the Bulls eye(Communication and control tower).

Senior Pls comments is it possible with 300 kg of CL-20’ with real time guidence from RISAT 2

While Brahmos is a great missile it is not as invulnerable as you believe. your assesments are way off base.

1. It's a carrier killer - The U.S. has learned a lot over the years when it comes to carrier design. Nimitz class and the new Ford class are specificly designed to be compartimentalized. So if it takes damage that area can be sealed off. It would take many Brahmos hits to actually sink one.
2. Aegis can not detect it - Says who? it's tubular design isn't much different then other missiles. The AN/SPY-1 radar is more then able to see low flying threats.
3. It fly's just 4 meters above the water - Which makes it no different then other sea skimming cruise missiles.
4. It's more accurate - All modern anti ship cruise missiles are accurate.


Here is Brahmos biggest threat

http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/stellent/groups/public/documents/content/cms01_055809.pdf

Threat coverage

High speed, highly maneuverable anti ship missiles (SS-N-22, Brahmos, ect.)

Moderatly fast and agile anti ship missiles (Exocet, ect)

Aircraft

Helicopters

Surface targets



Manufacturer Raytheon
Unit cost $800,000
Produced September 1998- 1000th missile delivered 25 August 2009
Specifications
Weight 620 lb (280 kg)
Length 12 ft (3.66 m)
Diameter 10 in (254 mm)

Warhead 86 lb (39 kg) blast-fragmentation
Detonation
mechanism Proximity fuze

Engine Mk 143 Mod 0 solid fuel rocket

Operational
range 27+ nm (50+ km)
Speed Mach 4+
Guidance
system Midcourse datalink
Terminal semi-active radar homing
Launch
platform Mk 41 VLS (RIM-162A/B)
Mk 48 VLS (RIM-162C)
Mk 29 box launcher (RIM-162D)

 

[unicorn]

Salaam.....

Ref:http://defensetech.org/


Can Aegis Stop China’s Carrier Killer Missiles?

A Lockheed official today gave a predictably cryptic answer to questions regarding the the ability of the defense giant’s Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense system to protect against China’s DF-21D carrier killer missiles.

“We’re constantly looking at the evolution of our Aegis BMD capability to keep pace with threats,” said Lisa Callahan Lockheed’s vice president in charge of the Aegis program during a Jan. 5 phone call with reporters. “While I can’t talk specifically about the capabilities we have against specific threats…we are definitely working to evolve our system to keep pace with the threats as they evolve.”
Callahan refused to comment when pressed on whether the current Aegis BMD system can protect against the DF-21D.

Wonder how long it will be before we come up with a way of defending our carriers from this system? It may mean developing carrier-borne strike aircraft with longer ranges or adjusting concepts of operation to keep the carriers farther off China’s coast. The latter could mean U.S. Navy and Marine Corps jets would have to refuel more often, fly longer missions and/or carry reduced weapons loads.

Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz1AMz4LIAX
Defense.org

Americans are working on electronic artillery weapons to counter 21D.

 

[Thomas]

Americans are working on electronic artillery weapons to counter 21D.

Rail guns are meant to replace larger deck guns. And most likely still 30+ years away, current research is in it's infancy. High energy weapons will be fielded much sooner.

 

[unicorn]

Rail guns are meant to replace larger deck guns. And most likely still 30+ years away, current research is in it's infancy. High energy weapons will be fielded much sooner.

Please explain what this guy is saying...

 

[Thomas]

Please explain what this guy is saying...

YouTube - China's Carrier-killer Missile Changes the Game in Pacific - FoxNews (August 7, 2010)

His reference to rail guns as defense agianst Missiles. fly's agianst Navy bid solicitations for the program. As well as the technical advancements that still need to be made. Though I might be to conservative on the 30 year time frame.

(SBIR) Navy - Flexible Cooled Power Conductors for Electromagnetic Railguns

"DESCRIPTION: The US Navy is pursuing the development of an electromagnetic railgun for long range naval surface fire support. An electromagnetic railgun consists of two parallel electrical conductors, called rails, and a moving element, called the armature. Very high current (~5-6 mega-amps) is passed down one rail, through the armature, and back through the other rail. The armature is accelerated down the barrel due to the interaction between this magnetic field and current flow (Lorentz Force). An electromagnetic rail gun (EMRG) system will accelerate projectiles to hypersonic speeds, enabling ranges beyond 200 NM in less than 6 minutes of flight time while traversing the atmospheric spectrum (endo-exo-endo). The EMRG can address time-critical targets with a rate-of-fire of 6 to 12 rounds per minute while residual energy at target impact provides lethal effects."

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Is sinking down a carrier through a missile the cheapest alternative ... ?

 

[unicorn]

His reference to rail guns as defense agianst Missiles. fly's agianst Navy bid solicitations for the program. As well as the technical advancements that still need to be made. Though I might be to conservative on the 30 year time frame.

(SBIR)*Navy - Flexible Cooled Power Conductors for Electromagnetic Railguns

"DESCRIPTION: The US Navy is pursuing the development of an electromagnetic railgun for long range naval surface fire support. An electromagnetic railgun consists of two parallel electrical conductors, called rails, and a moving element, called the armature. Very high current (~5-6 mega-amps) is passed down one rail, through the armature, and back through the other rail. The armature is accelerated down the barrel due to the interaction between this magnetic field and current flow (Lorentz Force). An electromagnetic rail gun (EMRG) system will accelerate projectiles to hypersonic speeds, enabling ranges beyond 200 NM in less than 6 minutes of flight time while traversing the atmospheric spectrum (endo-exo-endo). The EMRG can address time-critical targets with a rate-of-fire of 6 to 12 rounds per minute while residual energy at target impact provides lethal effects."

You are conservative for no reason.

Electromagnetic railgun sets new world record
14 December 2010

An image taken from a video monitor of a 32 MJ test shot at the Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division. (IHS Jane's/Sam LaGrone)

The US Office of Naval Research (ONR) achieved a world record-breaking 33 MJ shot when it hurled a rectangular steel projectile from an experimental electromagnetic (EM) railgun on 10 December.

The muzzle energy unleashed during the demonstration at the US Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division, Virginia, was equivalent to that required to fire a projectile at least 110 n miles, the ONR said.

A separate 32 MJ test shot was conducted for journalists after the record-breaking shot. Viewed on video monitors, there was an audible boom and a bright flash of light as the 23 lb (10.4 kg) test round travelled down range at 2.5 km/s (Mach 7).

The first phase of the railgun test programme was run in co-operation with General Atomics, which built the 100 MJ capacitor bank that powered the system, and BAE Systems, which built the 32 MJ laboratory test gun, said ONR programme manager Roger Ellis.

Electromagnetic railgun sets new world record

 

[Penguin]

DF-21D (CSS-5 Mod-4) Anti-ship ballistic missile
Range of various Chinese missiles; DF-21 A/B range in red.The US Department of Defense has stated that China has developed and reached initial operating capability of a conventionally-armed high hypersonic land-based anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) based on the DF-21.
This would be the world's first and only ASBM and the world's first weapons system capable of targeting a moving aircraft carrier strike group from long-range, land-based mobile launchers.
These would combine maneuverable reentry vehicles (MaRVs) with some kind of terminal guidance system. Such a missile may have been tested in 2005-6, and the launch of the Jianbing-5/YaoGan-1 and Jianbing-6/YaoGan-2 satellites would give the Chinese targeting information from SAR (Synthetic Aperture Radar) and visual imaging respectively. The upgrades would greatly enhance China's ability to conduct sea-denial operations to prevent US carriers from intervention in the Taiwan Strait. A professor at the U.S. Naval War College says that carrier-killing missiles underscore that the U.S. can no longer assume naval supremacy as it has since the end of World War II.

DF-21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The response/counter to this is simple:

Since we (US) cannot determine whether an ICBM fired at us is nuclear of conventionally armed and whether it is of a non-precision WMD type or a precision carrier killing type, we have to assume it is a nuclear missile and in the WMD category. OUr policy is that any attack with an ICBM on any US force anywhere in the world will be considered a nuclear first strike on the USA and will invoke a suitable response.

I.e. you attempt touch a carrier and we nuke your cities and apologize afterwards for us mistaking your precision weapon for WMD (and we ain;t bluffing).

 

[revu]

DF-21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The response/counter to this is simple:

Since we (US) cannot determine whether an ICBM fired at us is nuclear of conventionally armed and whether it is of a non-precision WMD type or a precision carrier killing type, we have to assume it is a nuclear missile and in the WMD category. OUr policy is that any attack with an ICBM on any US force anywhere in the world will be considered a nuclear first strike on the USA and will invoke a suitable response.

I.e. you attempt touch a carrier and we nuke your cities and apologize afterwards for us mistaking your precision weapon for WMD (and we ain;t bluffing).

and because ur country use nuke first, that's country also allowed to use their nuke to destroy ur city, after that they also offer some apologize cuz it's all just a misunderstanding. Good job to start a nuke war

 

[applesauce]

DF-21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The response/counter to this is simple:

Since we (US) cannot determine whether an ICBM fired at us is nuclear of conventionally armed and whether it is of a non-precision WMD type or a precision carrier killing type, we have to assume it is a nuclear missile and in the WMD category. OUr policy is that any attack with an ICBM on any US force anywhere in the world will be considered a nuclear first strike on the USA and will invoke a suitable response.

I.e. you attempt touch a carrier and we nuke your cities and apologize afterwards for us mistaking your precision weapon for WMD (and we ain;t bluffing).

im fairly certain if the us detects a limited range missile taking off like say the df-21 it would not be automatic nuclear retaliation, its incapable of hitting the us homelands thus the us can afford to spend time finding out whether its a nuclear attack or not, if nuclear then counter with thousands of nukes on us homeland if not counter with the most powerful conventional military in the world, no need to risk Armageddon if unnecessary.

 

[LeGenD]

Whats a deal even Brahmos II is a carrier killer...

Its more acurate and Aegis cannot even detect it.

Its highy maneuverable at sea it can fly just 4 meter above the water and it can hit the Bulls eye(Communication and control tower).

Senior Pls comments is it possible with 300 kg of CL-20’ with real time guidence from RISAT 2

Actually you have no clue about US surveillance technologies.

I shall enlighten you in this regard:

The low-flying cruise missiles can be detected by US E-2C, which is integrated with Naval Aegis Combat System.

During threatening scenarios, these early warning systems are put on non-stop patrols to maintain a check on enemy moves.

In addition, US have developed and deployed JSTER and ACTD systems in various places, which are also integrated with Naval Aegis Combat System and can alert it of threats, which it cannot detect by itself. One of the locations is Hawaii.

Is sinking down a carrier through a missile the cheapest alternative ... ?

It probably is. However, its effectiveness depends upon certain factors. The complexity of enemy's defensive measures cannot be overlooked.

In case of America; The missile has to get through complex defensive mechanisms of an entire Carrier group first. And American Super Carriers are compartmentalized. This means that if one section of the ship has been hit, it can be isolated from other sections to prevent damage from spreading.

 

[Obambam]

DF-21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The response/counter to this is simple:

Since we (US) cannot determine whether an ICBM fired at us is nuclear of conventionally armed and whether it is of a non-precision WMD type or a precision carrier killing type, we have to assume it is a nuclear missile and in the WMD category. OUr policy is that any attack with an ICBM on any US force anywhere in the world will be considered a nuclear first strike on the USA and will invoke a suitable response.

I.e. you attempt touch a carrier and we nuke your cities and apologize afterwards for us mistaking your precision weapon for WMD (and we ain;t bluffing).

I guess Chinese can invent their own set of rules too. They too can come up with some random bs about the carriers could be carrying nuclear warheads therefore it would be treated as a nuclear threat and with the Russians, Koreans etc doing the same? Don't be so naive to buy into such bs