Can a poor country be a great power?

[farhan_9909]

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i was in limit

well you are nt the mod

care to read my reply again.

i said mods nt you

 

[Varad]

as per wiki india will remain a low income country till 2050 even if they achive US GDP(14 trillions)

That is true because of our huge population that will continue to grow. It is expected we are the only country that will cross 2 billion.

 

[GORKHALI]

The spirit of India's people has already made it a superpower
India's great fortune, and possibly its real power, is that it is the beneficiary of so much wishful thinking, says Dean Nelson.

When Hillary Clinton left India this week, clutching contracts for defence and nuclear energy worth up to $40 billion for US companies, she was understandably grateful to her hosts. "I consider India not just a regional power, but a global power," she said.

America has good reason to want India to think and act like a world power. It sees a lot of itself in the country: the US may be the world's greatest democracy, but India is its largest. Its people have entrepreneurship in their DNA; its business leaders have embraced globalisation and are busy taking over iconic brands and businesses throughout the world.

Like President Obama, its leaders are pro-market social democrats; and a level of religious tolerance is maintained in the face of regular terrorist atrocities. Referring to posters she had seen during an earlier visit, bearing the slogan "India poised", Mrs Clinton insisted the country "was poised for economic growth, for global peace. It was poised to become a more powerful nation."

Yet India's great fortune, and possibly its real power, is that it is the beneficiary of so much wishful thinking. Its great democracy yields governments disabled by institutional corruption. Its literacy rate of 65 per cent is lower than tiny, war-ravaged Sri Lanka's (92 per cent). It might be the second fastest-growing economy in the world, but just under half of its billion people live on 76p per day or less, and it has the highest rate of child malnutrition in the world.
The problems don't end there. Development is constricted by shabby infrastructure, with daily power cuts, water shortages, and potholed roads blocked with bullock carts. The agricultural system is so archaic that an estimated 40 per cent of farm produce rots behind those carts before it gets to market. In military terms, the pride and self-esteem of India's armed forces was dented by just 10 well-trained terrorists last November, when they held India's elite commandos at bay for three days in Mumbai and murdered the chief of the city's anti-terrorist squad and two of his top officers when they left their desks to confront them.

Beyond India's borders, Beijing is steadily winning over countries which New Delhi has traditionally regarded as its junior partners, as well as humiliating India at every opportunity. China has not only armed and sustained Burma and Pakistan, but has won friends in Nepal and Sri Lanka by funding key infrastructure projects. Its development of nuclear submarines highlights its ambition to become a more visible presence in the Indian Ocean, and its officials have renewed its claim on Indian border states like Arunachal Pradesh, where China recently vetoed an Asian Development Bank grant for aid projects to put pressure on India.
One retired senior navy commander last night described India's "global power" as a "joke" – no more than "borrowed feathers" from genuine powers like the United States. "We are huge importers of weapons systems, just like the Saudis. China, which has a blossoming navy, has tried to sabotage our nuclear deal with the United States, and while it has not yet reached its full potential to patrol the Indian Ocean, it is on its way. The fact is, we are not on the global scene."

So where is India's great power? The answer is in its growing economy, the stability of its democracy, and its unrivalled reserves of international goodwill: almost everyone, with the exception of China, Pakistan and Islamic jihadist groups, loves the idea of India. Pavan K. Varma, the respected Indian diplomat and cultural commentator, says he believes his country will eventually overtake its regional rivals because its democratic system has created a stable political climate, while its people's entrepreneurial instincts and technological talent will continue to exploit the opportunities that arise.

His is a "hare and tortoise" argument for India's rising power: an unshakeable conviction that India will slowly but surely overcome the considerable obstacles in its way to claim ever more prizes, like its successful unmanned lunar mission last autumn, the creation of the world's cheapest car, the Tata Nano, or the acquisition of Jaguar Land Rover last year by the same company.

But another telling explanation for India's power came, again, from the US secretary of state, during her visit to Mumbai and New Delhi this week. "People from other Asian countries watching Indian films think all Indians look good [and] have dramatic lives with happy endings," she said. she said. The extraordinary appeal of the Bollywood film industry transmits the country's liberal, secular values from Burma through Bangladesh, into clandestine showings in Pakistani homes, throughout Islamic Afghanistan, and across West Asia into North Africa, where stars like Amitabh Bachchan and Shah Rukh Khan are household names.

Across that broad sweep of mostly conservative societies, Bollywood tales of Muslim boys eloping with Hindu girls, of rags to riches businessmen and slumdog millionaires, India is seen as a mostly harmless home of action heroes, saucy dancers and true romance: the world's first soft superpower.

The spirit of India's people has already made it a superpower - Telegraph

SO WHAT YOU LEARNT FROM IT ???

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

as per wiki india will remain a low income country till 2050 even if they achive US GDP(14 trillions)

Wiki also showed India GDP per capita is higher then Pakistans.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

To be a great power , a country needs
1) Wealth - riches : All these former "poor" countries Britain , U.S gained their superpower status through economic strength - Britain after colonizing half the globe and creating simultaneously a steady base of raw materials , and a 'captive' export market for their finished industrial goods - cars , industrial appliances etc.

The U.S - through the WW1 and WW2 - by the lend-lease agreement throughout world war one , by investing in superior R & D , a capitalistic market system and aided by droves of jewish and later german and japanese scientists who immigrated during the war years.

2) The balls to agressively pursue a global policy of engagement -leading to mutual benefit , domination , coercion , forceful power projection - The exact opposite of " non - alignment " in short. They suffered several reverses but to their credit they remain the same even to this day - Dominating , aggressive and forceful.

Power will always flow to those who aggressively seek it out .

 

[Nirvana]

i was in limit

well you are nt the mod

care to read my reply again.

i said mods nt you

Also do tell Mod about trolling by Falseflaggers and some other members,who ruined this Thread in first place without reading the whole article.

 

[臺灣省委書記蔡英文]

Our minds think alike.

 

[acetophenol]

as per wiki india will remain a low income country till 2050 even if they achive US GDP(14 trillions)

thanks for the encouragement!

 

[Varad]

The spirit of India's people has already made it a superpower
India's great fortune, and possibly its real power, is that it is the beneficiary of so much wishful thinking, says Dean Nelson.

When Hillary Clinton left India this week, clutching contracts for defence and nuclear energy worth up to $40 billion for US companies, she was understandably grateful to her hosts. "I consider India not just a regional power, but a global power," she said.

America has good reason to want India to think and act like a world power. It sees a lot of itself in the country: the US may be the world's greatest democracy, but India is its largest. Its people have entrepreneurship in their DNA; its business leaders have embraced globalisation and are busy taking over iconic brands and businesses throughout the world.

Like President Obama, its leaders are pro-market social democrats; and a level of religious tolerance is maintained in the face of regular terrorist atrocities. Referring to posters she had seen during an earlier visit, bearing the slogan "India poised", Mrs Clinton insisted the country "was poised for economic growth, for global peace. It was poised to become a more powerful nation."

Yet India's great fortune, and possibly its real power, is that it is the beneficiary of so much wishful thinking. Its great democracy yields governments disabled by institutional corruption. Its literacy rate of 65 per cent is lower than tiny, war-ravaged Sri Lanka's (92 per cent). It might be the second fastest-growing economy in the world, but just under half of its billion people live on 76p per day or less, and it has the highest rate of child malnutrition in the world.
The problems don't end there. Development is constricted by shabby infrastructure, with daily power cuts, water shortages, and potholed roads blocked with bullock carts. The agricultural system is so archaic that an estimated 40 per cent of farm produce rots behind those carts before it gets to market. In military terms, the pride and self-esteem of India's armed forces was dented by just 10 well-trained terrorists last November, when they held India's elite commandos at bay for three days in Mumbai and murdered the chief of the city's anti-terrorist squad and two of his top officers when they left their desks to confront them.

Beyond India's borders, Beijing is steadily winning over countries which New Delhi has traditionally regarded as its junior partners, as well as humiliating India at every opportunity. China has not only armed and sustained Burma and Pakistan, but has won friends in Nepal and Sri Lanka by funding key infrastructure projects. Its development of nuclear submarines highlights its ambition to become a more visible presence in the Indian Ocean, and its officials have renewed its claim on Indian border states like Arunachal Pradesh, where China recently vetoed an Asian Development Bank grant for aid projects to put pressure on India.
One retired senior navy commander last night described India's "global power" as a "joke" – no more than "borrowed feathers" from genuine powers like the United States. "We are huge importers of weapons systems, just like the Saudis. China, which has a blossoming navy, has tried to sabotage our nuclear deal with the United States, and while it has not yet reached its full potential to patrol the Indian Ocean, it is on its way. The fact is, we are not on the global scene."

So where is India's great power? The answer is in its growing economy, the stability of its democracy, and its unrivalled reserves of international goodwill: almost everyone, with the exception of China, Pakistan and Islamic jihadist groups, loves the idea of India. Pavan K. Varma, the respected Indian diplomat and cultural commentator, says he believes his country will eventually overtake its regional rivals because its democratic system has created a stable political climate, while its people's entrepreneurial instincts and technological talent will continue to exploit the opportunities that arise.

His is a "hare and tortoise" argument for India's rising power: an unshakeable conviction that India will slowly but surely overcome the considerable obstacles in its way to claim ever more prizes, like its successful unmanned lunar mission last autumn, the creation of the world's cheapest car, the Tata Nano, or the acquisition of Jaguar Land Rover last year by the same company.

But another telling explanation for India's power came, again, from the US secretary of state, during her visit to Mumbai and New Delhi this week. "People from other Asian countries watching Indian films think all Indians look good [and] have dramatic lives with happy endings," she said. she said. The extraordinary appeal of the Bollywood film industry transmits the country's liberal, secular values from Burma through Bangladesh, into clandestine showings in Pakistani homes, throughout Islamic Afghanistan, and across West Asia into North Africa, where stars like Amitabh Bachchan and Shah Rukh Khan are household names.

Across that broad sweep of mostly conservative societies, Bollywood tales of Muslim boys eloping with Hindu girls, of rags to riches businessmen and slumdog millionaires, India is seen as a mostly harmless home of action heroes, saucy dancers and true romance: the world's first soft superpower.

The spirit of India's people has already made it a superpower - Telegraph

Also, India's literacy rate has increased from 65 to 74%. I would say not bad for a poor country with low income.There is certain progress but we progressing slowly.

 

[Malik Usman]

After reading this whole one can understand that indians are living in the dream world where they saw becoming the superpower of the world and they are so deep into this they don't want to understand reality....Reailty is there are more poor peoples in India than Arfrica...Reality is India is struggling with is internal wars which is now spreading to all its states....Reality is India is facing problems inside like minorities rights.....Killing muslims in Gugrat or Incedents of Babri mosques and lot more............

You can be a superpower.....just tell ur govt.....don't buy weapons and make moutains ....rather spend that money to poor peoples...and make their life better then u can be a superpower.......What u will do with weapons if u will have more peoples dying with hunger....than very soon u will have food crises inside of ur country where peoples will be fighting each other for money and food.

 

[SpArK]

It will take atleast 5-6 years to bring poverty level below 25%, and many more years to bring down social inequality, more years to bring the society to be corruption free.

So forget about this term for 10-15 years. Good news is most of the guys here will be here witnessing the slow transformation.

 

[Varad]

After reading this whole one can understand that indians are living in the dream world where they saw becoming the superpower of the world and they are so deep into this they don't want to understand reality....Reailty is there are more poor peoples in India than Arfrica...Reality is India is struggling with is internal wars which is now spreading to all its states....Reality is India is facing problems inside like minorities rights.....Killing muslims in Gugrat or Incedents of Babri mosques and lot more............

You can be a superpower.....just tell ur govt.....don't buy weapons and make moutains ....rather spend that money to poor peoples...and make their life better then u can be a superpower.......What u will do with weapons if u will have more peoples dying with hunger....than very soon u will have food crises inside of ur country where peoples will be fighting each other for money and food.

You are right all this is reality. But another reality is the world accepts India as a potential super power. We are mentioned in top 3 economies by 2050. Another reality is India is progressing in every field be it sports,education, poverty eradication, infrastructure, defence and importance in world scene.As i said super power is not something you say and become. You have to envision it and take the right steps.If we keep mourning about the poverty and lack of facilities in India we will never progress.

 

[DelhiDareDevil]

Not even one Indian here claimed India being a World Super power on this thread.

But what we do claim is that India is power in her region and that is what India neighbours have to agree.

 

[Nirvana]

By 2025 Its is estimated That India will HAVE 4th largest GDP And By 2030 India will overtake Japan to be 3rd largest GDP.

 

[monitor]

India do have a lot of internal problem but it is gaining global attention for its huge growth in last two decade