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Can a Muslim be an Indian?

Whatever you refer to is not happening just in India, and is only part of a larger reaction in the civilized world to what is happening in Islam's name, to be fair.
plus there are enough libtards we have to make sure even some of the genuine cases are not carried to their logical end. We are on the verge of being declared as a terrorism exporting state just becuase West begnal govt is harboring Bangladeshi terrorists under the garb of secularism and integration.
 
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Jeez this is one messed up thread with so many preconceived notions and such self-righteousness that I'm almost gonna puke !
 
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Hence it also befalls the rest of the Indian people to be more than active to help and persuade Indian Muslims to avoid the narratives of organizations such as IS. To take an ostrich head view of the situation is as bad as the fear of interfering in the religious matters of Indian Muslims. In the end, Only Indian Muslims can save themselves from radicalization and attacks from right wingers..but they will need all the help they can get from those that truly consider them as fellow countrymen.



I am not skewed at all, there are various success stories of Muslims in India but if one was to focus on success stories than Pakistan's own Justice Bhagwandas would befool me into thinking all is well with the Hindu minority here.

Just to add a bit, minorities have risen where given the chance and achieved merit.

Heck, Pakistan's first minister for law and labor was a Hindu.
Jogendra Nath Mandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will only take the Sikhs as contrast as they are the only community in enough population force to be comparable to Muslims as a minority segment. Christians are essentially the product of missionaries and pre-Brits had much less of an impact on the shaping of India. Buddhists have simply ceased to exist in the number which would make them as relevant as the others.

The Sikhs too are(and I mean no offence here) a by-product of Muslim presence in India. Would sikhism(and the associated Punjabi nationalism) still have arisen had say Muslims never been there? too much hypothesis there. However, the Sikh movement was a very Indian creation; the perspective I choose for that is that the phenomenon has its identity based in the lands of the Punjab and so for them the land itself is sacred to them.
Come to muslims, the only sacred lands for them lie some thousands of km's west as does its origin. Islam(like Christianity) arrived in India and hence was adapted to the land and people by its preachers. To ensure that the essence of Islam remained separate from the aspects of culture taken up by the Indian Muslim there was an identity forged over centuries. That identity thrived more so because of the presence of Muslim rulers. Once they left, there was a subconscious sense of deprivation that somehow Muslims are constantly vulnerable(because no King or ruler was present) to the rest of the subcontinent. A lot of it had to do with the rise and fall of the clergy within the Muslim(urban) body who saw their once powerful role diminishing. This is where the ideals of isolation were taken up by certain centres of religious thought which fostered the whole first Arab than Indian ideal instead of forging around the Hindu-Muslim identity(which in my view was a grave mistake by these scholars/clergy/leadership). This never happened with the Sikhs as the religion was of the land and of the people of the land and the idea that they are converts was never preached to them nor were they ridiculed of it.



And that state ethos is what is effected by national ethos. Germany is a good reference to how a small smouldering right wing idea can grow on the basis of economic uplift to transform a nation into an intolerant one.


To add a bit more, on BJP, Nationalism and the view from historical context, an excellent write up (which is a rarity on NYT these days)
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/25/opinion/pankaj-mishra-nirandra-modis-idea-of-india.html?_r=0
 
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then how come u came to the conclusion based on jst media views...
jst read ur previous post... ur argument is build on what indian media says....
then why u differ now...
i am asking again.. do u see urself as a terrorist, based on western media portrayal...

I did not , I came to the conclusion through media(and internal accounts of which I am not bringing into play)..Media which includes that of the entire world excluding Pakistan.

Again, your logic is flawed. You are asking to base my conclusion on the opinion of Media from western origins to an conclusion on India from Indian origins. Self opinion compared to outside opinion is being equated.. rather hypocritical of you.

Jeez this is one messed up thread with so many preconceived notions and such self-righteousness that I'm almost gonna puke !

No wonder you're here.. you had the scent ten links away.
 
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I can't swear on that there won't be any riots if another Godhara happened. but There won't be any larger scale riots over any terrorist attack that much I am sure of. Modi got caught in Godhara riots because he was new in a powerful position. and he called in everyone to quell the riots be it KPS GIll (one who subdued the Punjab insurgency) to the army. He knows how to lead now plus a team unmatched.

See here is the issue, Modi does not matter. The reaction of the common Indian.. the "aam aadmi" does.
 
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Just to add a bit, minorities have risen where given the chance and achieved merit.

Heck, Pakistan's first minister for law and labor was a Hindu.
Jogendra Nath Mandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




To add a bit more, on BJP, Nationalism and the view from historical context, an excellent write up (which is a rarity on NYT these days)
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/25/opinion/pankaj-mishra-nirandra-modis-idea-of-india.html?_r=0
JN Mandal - who then left Pakistan after a couple of years.
And Pankaj Mishra is a gem - he has completely exposed India. @Indrani's favorite writer. :enjoy:


He has summed it up brilliantly by stating that India under Modi is a bigger threat than ISIS/Taliban/al Qaida. A rather interesting read. Thanks. :)
 
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See here is the issue, Modi does not matter. The reaction of the common Indian.. the "aam aadmi" does.
and aam aadmi is far more knowledgeable and plus the govt is far more better equipped to handle Godhara kind of situation. We will nip the evil in the bud before it raises it's hydra head.
 
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See here is the issue, Modi does not matter. The reaction of the common Indian.. the "aam aadmi" does.

Sir, Adolf Hitler did matter.......the average German not so much at the rise of the Third Reich. The German was happy with his industry, jobs, superior status, and above all, the thirst for vengeance.
 
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and aam aadmi is far more knowledgeable and plus the govt is far more better equipped to handle Godhara kind of situation. We will nip the evil in the bud before it raises it's hydra head.

And that notion is a little less reassuring than I would expect it to be in light of recent right wing sympathies and developments within the Indian social thought circle. See, the issue is not those who voted for Modi to get the economy right.. its the ones who voted under the Hindu rise ideals that worry me.
 
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and aam aadmi is far more knowledgeable and plus the govt is far more better equipped to handle Godhara kind of situation. We will nip the evil in the bud before it raises it's hydra head.

Your past isn't exactly a beacon of light....
 
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And what would the analogy be in case of India? Who would be 'Hitler' and who the 'blood thirsty' Germans?

Maybe Modi, maybe someone lurking deep.......Hitler was no one in his life before.

The proponents of Hindutva, one of which seems to be in the Government of India.
 
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And that notion is a little less reassuring than I would expect it to be in light of recent right wing sympathies and developments within the Indian social thought circle. See, the issue is not those who voted for Modi to get the economy right.. its the ones who voted under the Hindu rise ideals that worry me.
I would have agreed with you in a second if hindus didn't killed Muslims under so called secular govt before Modi rose to fame. There has been bad blood between Hindus and Muslims since partition. The skepticism isn't going to go away but that doesn't mean we see every Muslim with through a narrow prism.
 
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JN Mandal - who then left Pakistan after a couple of years.
And Pankaj Mishra is a gem - he has completely exposed India. @Indrani's favorite writer. :enjoy:


He has summed it up brilliantly by stating that India under Modi is a bigger threat than ISIS/Taliban/al Qaida. A rather interesting read. Thanks. :)

Things start slowly, and then escalate. Do you really want to compare India with ISIS? Where did ISIS come from? All of a sudden? was it lurking always? etc etc
 
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