Can a Muslim be an Indian?

[SQ8]

so thats how to you come to these mendacious conclusions??
The members on this forum or most other forums represent just a tiny minority of our society and ergo their opinions may or may not be representative of the rest of India. I think I'm wasting my time banging my head against a wall.
And let me make it clear that BJP got a landslide victory because the minorities also voted for them. It is not an easy job to get an absolute majority in India. Ppl voted for them not because we wanted to see a change in our economy and not because we wanted a "hindu" govt in power. I'm sure you didnt know that BJP has a muslim wing too.
And if you see congress or the so called secular party defeated then its because of their blunder in making economic decisions.
kapish amigo?

They may represent a minority, but that argument comes in the same light as the one that refers to a silent majority that has little say in what this rabid minority wishes to do. Again, your perception of banging your head on the wall rests on the assumption that views on the country must be absolutely positive and align with exactly those views that you hold. Which is why you and my rather distant and detached one time country fellow @Syed.Ali.Haider are having a hug-able moment and you are I are not.

 

[scorpionx]

The members on this forum or most other forums represent just a tiny minority of our society and ergo their opinions may or may not be representative of the rest of India. I think I'm wasting my time banging my head against a wall.

Beg to differ. Yesterday when a news came about a Christian cleric raising his concern about growing Hindu radicalism, one of the most immediate remark was that he was sounding more Pope than the Pope himself. It is true that the members here does not represent the entire India but when technically we want to test a coal or hydrogen sample in power plants, we do not put the entire rail wagon or complete generator into test lab. We collect samples. And the majority of the samples here from India depicts what Oscar is trying to point out. What we have done for the last few months is, in order to show our zeal of patriotism in front of the rest we have put secularism at stake which has lost its true meaning these days.

The divide and rule policy you mean?

Yes and for Strategic Interest.

 

[VCheng]

I am surprised that you hold such liberal views.

I know my country might not be the best,we have our issues.I hope our countries can find peace ultimately.


so thats how to you come to these mendacious conclusions??
The members on this forum or most other forums represent just a tiny minority of our society and ergo their opinions may or may not be representative of the rest of India. I think I'm wasting my time banging my head against a wall.
And let me make it clear that BJP got a landslide victory because the minorities also voted for them. It is not an easy job to get an absolute majority in India. Ppl voted for them not because we wanted to see a change in our economy and not because we wanted a "hindu" govt in power. I'm sure you didnt know that BJP has a muslim wing too.
And if you see congress or the so called secular party defeated then its because of their blunder in making economic decisions.
kapish amigo?


The divide and rule policy you mean?

There is nothing liberal or conservative in being fair and honest, because those values are the foundations of robust logic that lead to correct conclusions.

I can tell you from personal experiences that Indians inevitably put their country before their religious identity, no matter what it is. That says it all, really.

They may represent a minority, but that argument comes in the same light as the one that refers to a silent majority that has little say in what this rabid minority wishes to do. Again, your perception of banging your head on the wall rests on the assumption that views on the country must be absolutely positive and align with exactly those views that you hold. Which is why you and my rather distant and detached one time country fellow @Syed.Ali.Haider are having a hug-able moment and you are I are not.

Distant and detached? Nope. Very close and enthusiastically involved? Absolutely!

 

[Dem!god]

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The negative views are subjective. Depending upon the context and scope of the subject.

this is what making ur allegation biased and prejudiced....
u should start incorporating other objective facts as well broader details ....

 

[Levina]

Beg to differ. Yesterday when a news came about a Christian cleric raising his concern about growing Hindu radicalism, one of the most immediate remark was that he was sounding more Pope than the Pope himself. It is true that the members here does not represent the entire India but when technically we want to test a coal or hydrogen sample in power plants, we do not put the entire rail wagon or complete generator into test lab. We collect samples. And the majority of the samples here from India depicts what Oscar is trying to point out. What we have done for the last few months is, in order to show our zeal of patriotism in front of the rest we have put secularism at stake which has lost its true meaning these days.

I beg to differ.
I'm so sure that the internet warriors who hide behind anonymity of forums and who make feral attacks on us seculars dont behave so in their day to day life. Where's the comparison??
We cant not draw conclusions on the basis of the opinions of a few netizens.

Yes and for Strategic Interest.

Then I would say Jinnah and Nehru played in the hands of Britishers.
I am in no way underestimating what they have done for their respective countries.

 

[scorpionx]

I beg to differ.
I'm so sure that the internet warriors who hide behind anonymity of forums and who make feral attacks on us seculars dont behave so in their day to day life. Where's the comparison??
We cant not draw conclusions on the basis of the opinions of a few netizens.

May be you are right. A member can hardly be known by what he/she posts and supports in his/her private life. But I feel it shows a pattern or gives a hint of a growing mind set of what is boiling among the youths. When a linguistic group or religion get assaulted on daily basis and the larger group (educated and polished) chose to remain silent (or support it in some cases) gives me an unholy feeling.

 

[Levina]

They may represent a minority, but that argument comes in the same light as the one that refers to a silent majority that has little say in what this rabid minority wishes to do. Again, your perception of banging your head on the wall rests on the assumption that views on the country must be absolutely positive and align with exactly those views that you hold. Which is why you and my rather distant and detached one time country fellow @Syed.Ali.Haider are having a hug-able moment and you are I are not.

I just fell off the chair as I read it.
"Hug-able" moment? Lolzz

On topic....
The opinion of these netizens is nothing but a drop in the sea they can not influnece the large majority outside. I dont take them seriously because, one ,majority of them 're teenagers masquerading here as Mr.Know it all. Two, the anonymity helps them in making more malevolent opinion which otherwise is subdued.

 

[SQ8]

The opinion of these netizens is nothing but a drop in the sea they can not influnece the large majority outside. I dont take them seriously because, one ,majority of them 're teenagers masquerading here as Mr.Know it all. Two, the anonymity helps them in making more malevolent opinion which otherwise is subdued.

Now that is at the end the quintessential "Get me out of here" argument. Yes, at the end all this is amounts to little more than opinion. Yet interestingly this opinion is gauged by various organizations based on trends and ideals. People pay lots of money for it. So whether 1 & 2 apply or not, these opinions matter to YOU otherwise you would not be here and hence in a rather comical twist have branded yourself alongside the 1 & 2.

 

[VCheng]

Now that is at the end the quintessential "Get me out of here" argument. Yes, at the end all this is amounts to little more than opinion. Yet interestingly this opinion is gauged by various organizations based on trends and ideals. People pay lots of money for it. So whether 1 & 2 apply or not, these opinions matter to YOU otherwise you would not be here and hence in a rather comical twist have branded yourself alongside the 1 & 2.

Let me turn the original question around like this: Does Pakistan have a monopoly on Muslim identity in South Asia? Isn't that a more valid question to answer?

 

[ranjeet]

May be you are right. A member can hardly be known by what he/she posts and supports in his/her private life. But I feel it shows a pattern or gives a hint of a growing mind set of what is boiling among the youths. When a linguistic group or religion get assaulted on daily basis and the larger group (educated and polished) chose to remain silent (or support it in some cases) gives me an unholy feeling.

West Bengal was under atheist Communist and after that secular TMC, no one raised the hinduism is in danger there bogey . What has it been reduced to now?

 

[scorpionx]

West Bengal was under atheist Communist and after that secular TMC, no one raised the hinduism is in danger there bogey . What has it been reduced to now?

It has reduced to BJP activists bombing each other and bombing the police today.

 

[ranjeet]

It has reduced to BJP activists bombing each other and bombing the police today.

So everything wrong in WB today is due to BJP? There were no issues before BJP came in center and right wing nuts got a morphine shot.

 

[scorpionx]

So everything wrong in WB today is due to BJP? There were no issues before BJP came in center and right wing nuts got a morphine shot.

I did not say that. It sounds equally senseless when atheism or secularism receives unnecessary jibes for no reason on a daily basis here.

 

[SQ8]

Let me turn the original question around like this: Does Pakistan have a monopoly on Muslim identity in South Asia? Isn't that a more valid question to answer?

Sorry, but your turnaround is irrelevant to the subject. What does my being Pakistani have to do with the condition of Indian muslims(many of whom are relatives). Moreover, by trying to turn the question around you seem to have little interest in the topic itself and seem to only focus on derailing it to some sort of Pakistan focused deriding tirade(for which you have ample space on other threads to do so).

 

[ranjeet]

I did not say that. It sounds equally senseless when atheism or secularism receives unnecessary jibes for no reason on a daily basis here.

yes it is senseless when atheism and secularism only meant demeaning hindus. It's all good bro, we deserve that.