Can a Muslim be an Indian?

[qamar1990]

we dont "demonize" muslims in the first place.

not true…. just because you don't demonize muslims doesn't mean all of india i like you… muslims are discriminated against in india and there is no other way around it….
just check out the terms like "love jihad" it shows the mentality muslims have to deal with.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Btw afaik the goevrnment had only refused to give out religion related data which indicates that it might have the stats.

So if religious demographics are not important as you say, then why such a deliberate and specific removal of that particular data.

If it's not important, it shouldn't matter what the results say, right?

But obviously it does matter, because they refused to release it.

 

[Levina]

not true…. just because you don't demonize muslims doesn't mean all of india i like you… muslims are discriminated against in india and there is no other way around it….
just check out the terms like "love jihad" it shows the mentality muslims have to deal with.

We have the 2nd largest population of muslims in the world which is very close to the total population of Pakistan.That should prove my point and show the plight of muslims in the country.

So if religious demographics are not important as you say, then why such a deliberate and specific removal of that particular data.

If it's not important, it shouldn't matter what the results say, right?

But obviously it does matter, because they refused to release it.

And you still havent answered my question lil dragon that "how do you think religious headcount would help"??

 

[qamar1990]

We have the 2nd largest population of muslims in the world which is very close to tge total population of Pakistan.That should prove my point and show the plight of muslims in the country.

how exactly does that prove the plight of muslims in india???
they are only 12 percent of your population..
and btw you have the 3rd largest if not the 4th largest population of muslims.
you have a whole "state" of muslims which is basically turned into an open air prison.

 

[Levina]

how exactly does that prove the plight of muslims in india???
they are only 12 percent of your population..
.

This video should prove my point beyond doubts.

you have a whole "state" of muslims which is basically turned into an open air prison.

Prove it!!!

 

[Dem!god]

Gist of this article is that partition should've never happened.
what did it fetch us?? Confusion...just confusion.
How many confused souls were we left with???
A confused Jinnah who first gave the 2 nation theory and later on during his speech said "you may belong to any state,caste or creed but that has nothing to do with the business of the state".... which is exactly what Nehru said in India. So how different was Pakistan from India when we started??
And then we had a confused Raja of mahmudabad, right hand man of Jinnah who resigned from Muslim league party and lived in India because he felt his party had done "hara kiri".
Next was Ustad bade Ghulam khan who went to Pakistan during partition and came back.
Josh Malihabadi who famously said "we can not partition urdu" kept going to and fro from India to Pakistan only to realise that he had no nation and no home left after partition.
The 2 nation theory divided people , muslims who favored for a separate state and stayed back in India after partition were looked upon with suspicion and because of 'em other muslims too faced the same plight.
By favoring a separate nation muslims had shot themselves in the foot.

its better we got division.... its better this way......

not true…. just because you don't demonize muslims doesn't mean all of india i like you… muslims are discriminated against in india and there is no other way around it….
just check out the terms like "love jihad" it shows the mentality muslims have to deal with.

lol... Muslims are discriminated whole over world.... and u can guess why..
recently there was attack on Canadian parliament and guess who did that...

stop living in 7th century and no one will discriminate u....

how exactly does that prove the plight of muslims in india???
they are only 12 percent of your population..
and btw you have the 3rd largest if not the 4th largest population of muslims.
you have a whole "state" of muslims which is basically turned into an open air prison.

our open air prison is better than whole Pakistan put togather.... the greatest savior of Muslims in whole world...
go do smthng abt ur nation then come and talk abt india

 

[Levina]

its better we got division.... its better this way......

Undivided India would have been even better.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

18% if I am not wrong.
And this video should prove my point beyond doubts.

Prove it!!!

18%? From what details we get that details? I mean what records we get an confirmtaion of that.
U tube blocked in ma office

 

[Levina]

18%? From what details we get that details? I mean what records we get an confirmtaion of that.
U tube blocked in ma office

Watch it when you're back home.But do watch it.

 

[SpArK]

Again the ideology, when a country is seen as a geographical area which should belong to a particular religion.

So if religious demographics are not important as you say, then why such a deliberate and specific removal of that particular data.

If it's not important, it shouldn't matter what the results say, right?

But obviously it does matter, because they refused to release it.

Its not importantt thats why deliberate and specific removal of that particular data.

 

[SQ8]

We have the 2nd largest population of muslims in the world which is very close to the total population of Pakistan.That should prove my point and show the plight of muslims in the country.

That were a lot of jews in Europe as well. We all know what happened to them .
Bad example to back up your point.

 

[scorpionx]

A confused Jinnah who first gave the 2 nation theory and later on during his speech said "you may belong to any state,caste or creed but that has nothing to do with the business of the state".... which is exactly what Nehru said in India. So how different was Pakistan from India when we started??

Nice summery, levina but I would like to humbly disagree with the underlined part. Mr.Jinnah could be anything but not confused by any means.His character, as was among his contemporaries, is still like an enigma encryption machine to most of us,Indians because we have not paid much attention to early part of his career, Bombay Muslim proposal or Lucknow pact when he was truly considered as an unrivaled champion of Hindu Muslim unity.In understanding Jinnah's personal character, we hardly have cared to discuss much about incidents that are hardly discussed like his (along with Ruttie) strange dinner in Governor House,Bombay with lord and lady Willingdon, his amazing (and quite unprecedented in Indian political platform too) insult before a large crowd in 1920 Nagpur Congress as well as in 1928 Calcutta conference where he was made fun by the Hindu nationalist faction within Congress and his decision to remain still loyal to the united India cause tell us much more about him than what we usually presume with his role in Pakistan movement only; becoming merely a victim of a poor sense of parochialism.

His political career, unlike Gandhi did not went through a constant metamorphosis, rather it was pretty consistent till the beginning of Second World War; not for a single moment losing his personal charisma, wit or unprecedented western life style among his contemporaries. The very reason why the sub continent version of Two nation Theory resembles more of its Irish counterpart rather Syed Ahmad Khan in it is the role played by front bench of Indian National Congress led by Gandhi, who just like us was irrational and rigid in understanding a Muslim educated in Victorian England and concentrated more in alienating him from Indian politics just like Jinnah's own Muslim League factions.

As Oscar rightly pointed out, to understand Jinnah unless a more unconventional approach is applied by Indians, a factually incorrect generalized perception of Jinnah as a necessary evil of an alien faith, snatching a holy piece of land righteously deserved by the innocent native Hindus will not be easy to dissipate.

 

[Dem!god]

That were a lot of jews in Europe as well. We all know what happened to them .
Bad example to back up your point.

bad example from ur side too sir,
if one person fall sick doesn't mean all other will fall for same sickness...
though human body composition remains almost same...

 

[SQ8]

bad example from ur side too sir,
if one person fall sick doesn't mean all other will fall for same sickness...
though human body composition remains almost same...

In this case however, the issue had to do with the treatment of a minority which is for all purposes being demonized by political elements currently in power/allied with those in power.

 

[Dem!god]

Undivided India would have been even better.

ya only when ppl hv not yet converted.. or are willing to come back to their roots.... i don't want to see killing, shooting, coup attempt, military rule , bomb blast etc.. on daily basis in India...
i want to live happily in my life not in a constant fear....

In this case however, the issue had to do with the treatment of a minority which is for all purposes being demonized by political elements currently in power/allied with those in power.

no body Is demonizing them...
how u came to this conclusion... our minority( which they are nt, 15% Is not a minority) are way better than ur majority... in every aspect of life...