Burma is for Buddhists

[alaungphaya]

Burma is not a secular country any way....So why would they entertain other religion?...And on top of that there is no democracy...So expecting that Burma will behave as per international rules, it is not possible..

No, Myanmar is democratic and secular. On paper atleast and to a resonable extent in practice.

 

[Abotani]

Burma is for Burmese and Rohingyas are not citizens.End of the matter for me.The bleeding hearts can take them in if they are so hurt.

 

[alaungphaya]

Accepting them into other countries means that they lose their homes in Burma

if they already have homes then pressure should be exerted onto Burma with solid consequences including punishment for burmese nationals anywhere in muslim world if they don't stop dicking around with the Rohingyas

Typical muslim ummah logic. I won't help any muslims but hey, let's group together and fight with the non-muslims.

 

[Kaniska]

No, Myanmar is democratic and secular. On paper atleast and to a resonable extent in practice.

Is it so?...That is not good....Honestly...India is also has the same problem...Democratic and secular..I do not mind being democratic but secularism is such a useless tool..which is used by our politician to exploit the majority at maximum extent....So if you are secular...never ever be democratic...I thought Burma will be an exception...

 

[al-Hasani]

No, Myanmar is democratic and secular. On paper atleast and to a resonable extent in practice.

So a Burmese agrees with me. Fine and I expected this as well as my memory is normally excellent.

However your claim of Rohingyas not being natives is pure nonsense I have to say. There are several Muslim groups in Burma from what I have researched in just the past 30 minutes. They have lived in Burma since time immortal and are not recent migrants from Bangladesh or elsewhere.

Arab merchants and sailors already reached what is now Burma in the 9th century and some settled. There were other Muslim peoples as well who have attested to this.

Chinese historians did confirm this too back in the day.

Islam in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Secur]

What the Government of Myanmar says is far more authentic to me and the world community.

No, that irrational argument "whatever the ruling Govt says is fine for me" is limited to you. The United Nations acknowledges the Rohingyas as the one of the most persecuted minorities and unwanted people, on this planet. The Amnesty International notes severe discrimination and violation of the human rights of the same community since the current junta started to rule. Not long ago, the United States house of representatives passed a resolution, urging the Govt of Burma to end the persecution. I dont understand the overwhelming responses from Indians against a heavily persecuted group of people. Present your views on the topic rather than bringing irrelevant things on this thread. Despite the fact that many Muslim countries cant claim a perfect or angelic record, far from it, two wrongs still dont make a right.

 

[Kaniska]

Accepting them into other countries means that they lose their homes in Burma

if they already have homes then pressure should be exerted onto Burma with solid consequences including punishment for burmese nationals anywhere in muslim world if they don't stop dicking around with the Rohingyas

Why pressure will be exerted?...If any one would like to live in Burma they have to live culture of the land rather than culture and religion from far away places...

 

[Sneaker]

Yes, it does make a difference. Vatican being an example of that.

There is tolerance for other religions in KSA. Non-Muslims are free to practice their own religions inside their homes. It's just not allowed to propagandize other religions. Same case in the Vatican. Both KSA and the Vatican are centers of religion. Islam and Catholicism respectively and that's what's makes them unique.

Also how hard is it to understand that you are comparing apples to pears? I gave you plenty of arguments and examples of that being the case.

Rohingyas are indigenous Muslims. There has been a Muslim presence in what is now Burma since the first Arab merchants and sailors settled there.



Another low IQ troll. KSA already hosts the biggest number of Rohingya refugees in the world. More than nearby Bangladesh.

Burma is trying to become cradle of burmese buddism. You got problem with that? You can either go "cradle" way or universal human rights way (universal human rights don't say everyone has right to practice his/her own religion unless it is cradle of some other civilization, btw)

 

[alaungphaya]

So a Burmese agrees with me. Fine and I expected this as well as my memory is normally excellent.

However your claim of Rohingyas not being natives is pure nonsense I have to say. There are several Muslim groups in Burma from what I have researched in just the past 30 minutes.

Arab merchants and sailors already reached what is now Burma in the 9th century and some settled. There were other Muslim peoples as well who have attested to this.

Islam in Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you really think that those Bengalis who speak Bengali with Bengali relatives in Cox's Bazaar, Chittagong, and elsewhere in Bangladesh, who don;t speak Burmese, who cross in and out all the time are the descendents of mythical 9th century Arabs? That's the talk of a fantasist. I suggest you need more than 30 minutes of Google to understand the situation.

 

[Judge]

No, that is limited to you. The United Nations acknowledges the Rohingyas as the one of the most persecuted minorities, on this planet. The Amnesty International notes severe discrimination and violation of the human rights of the same community. Not long ago, the United States house of representatives passed a resolution, urging the Govt of Burma to end the persecution. I dont understand the overwhelming responses from Indians against a heavily persecuted group of people. Present your views on the topic rather than bringing irrelevant things on this thread. Despite the fact that many Muslim countries cant claim a perfect or angelic record, two wrongs still dont make a right.

My point was not that they are not persecuted. Indeed they are and heavily at that.
But that Myanmar Govt reserves the right to give citizenship to people. If they decide they dont want to give it to Rohingyas, that is their right. Not all nations give Jus soli.

That however does not mean that they have a right to persecute non-citizens, nor is it an excuse to treat them badly.

The other point I am trying to make is that any Muslim from a country that has discriminatory laws towards other religions - has zero right to comment on Myanmar(on the discrimination part, not the killings part). If they are concerned about equality...they should focus their energies at their home and bring about change.
Regarding the statement that two wrongs dont make a right. It is true, but it is for those who practice at home what they preach - to tell the Myanmar govt. Not hypocrites.

 

[hussain0216]

Typical muslim ummah logic. I won't help any muslims but hey, let's group together and fight with the non-muslims.

Burmese are killing muslims in Burma so shouldn't 1.7 billion muslims across the world now hate anyone burmese

 

[al-Hasani]

Do you really think that those Bengalis who speak Bengali with Bengali relatives in Cox's Bazaar, Chittagong, and elsewhere in Bangladesh, who don;t speak Burmese, who cross in and out all the time are the descendents of mythical 9th century Arabs? That's the talk of a fantasist. I suggest you need more than 30 minutes of Google to understand the situation.

Maybe you should learn English and actually bother to read what I am writing and not what you THINK or imagine that I write. Burma was a English colony after all. This should be an advantage for you.

I am not saying that Rohingya people are Arabs (lol) I am saying that there has been a Muslim presence in Burma since the 9th century (!) and this is widely attested by numerous historical sources. It's also widely accepted that there are several Muslim groups in Burma outside the Rohingya people.

Moreover the Rohingya people do not appear to be a homogenous community. They are very likely to be a mixture of Muslim settlers and indigenous peoples who converted to Islam. Much like similar Muslim communities in nearby Cambodia. Also a majority Buddhist country.

You Buddhist Burmese are made up by dozens of ethnic groups as well.

It appears to me that you are rewriting your own history due to your dislike for Islam and Muslims.

 

[alaungphaya]

Burmese are killing muslims in Burma so shouldn't 1.7 billion muslims across the world now hate anyone burmese

What do you mean by we are killing muslims? Is the government killing muslims? Am I killing muslims? Or did muslims start a fight and lose? I don't hear much about the Arakanese villagers who were murdered by muslim mobs and had their villages burned out on here. No one is blameless in this.

Maybe you should learn English and actually bother to read what I am writing and not what you THINK or imagine that I write. Burma was a English colony after all. This should be an advantage for you.

I am not saying that Rohingya people are Arabs (lol) I am saying that there has been a Muslim presence in Burma since the 9th century (!) and this is widely attested by numerous historical sources. It's also widely accepted that there are several Muslim groups in Burma outside the Rohingya.

Moreover the Rohingya people do not appear to be a homogenous community. They are very likely to be a mixture of Muslim settlers and indigenous peoples who converted to Islam. Much like you have such similar communities in nearby Cambodia. Also a majority Buddhist country.

It appears to me that you are rewriting your own history due to your dislike for Islam and Muslims.

I'm not having some jumped up Arab lecture me on my English. I refer back to my original comment that your understanding of this extends to the level of someone who has Googled for, I guess, 40 minutes now.

 

[hussain0216]

Why pressure will be exerted?...If any one would like to live in Burma they have to live culture of the land rather than culture and religion from far away places...

??????? Culture of the land????? What kind of retarded caste based mentality is that

The rohinga are a reality their persecution is a reality tgry are oppressed for being muslims, so it could be any of us that could suffer such persecution

so should we not hate and harm the burmese if we find them

 

[al-Hasani]

I'm not having some jumped up Arab lecture me on my English. I refer back to my original comment that your understanding of this extends to the level of someone who has Googled for, I guess, 40 minutes now.

The person that you are discussing with is of Arab and European ancestry but let's leave that aside.

Well, apparently you need some help as you did not understand what was written to you. How is that my problem? Also your lack of willingness to engage in the discussion (I even provided you a source) is also telling.

When historians of various ethnicities and from various countries (regional and non-regional) already confirmed a Muslim presence in the 9th century in what is today Burma it is very baffling that you, along with your government, are trying to deny a historical Muslim presence in Burma or pass the Rohingya people and others off as "illegal migrants from Bangladesh".

There are well over 500.000 Rohingya people in KSA and 1 million or so Bangladeshis. Those two people have by large no similarity in appearance nor do they claim to be Bangladeshis from my experience and knowledge.

As if that somehow explained the massacres on the Burmese Muslims...

Pathetic.