Brothers in Arms : Why an Indian stands with Israel I wouldn’t write to you today, if I didn’t feel

[halupridol]

You know I am right. Even an Indian admitted it above me. I am not blind. I can see everything here. Rest assured that no Arab will even be remotely close to the behavior many Indians here display towards our allies.

just because an indian agrees,u r right?
anyway,i agree many here have strong opinions,reasons for which i have already stated in my previous post.
i rarely visit arab forum to know there behavior here.but i do get some idea from visiting the iranian forum.

Without that extra added bit (honesty, being direct) I don't get my point across as I want to. PDF is lenient on this front which is good. As long as there is no outright trolling or insults

those extra bits(yes they r insulting) u used,only expose ur inability to express ur opinions.

No, they won't. LOL. You base a few Youtube incidents and label 500 million Arabs with the same brush. Very intelligent. Forgetting that Pakistanis marry Saudi Arabian women for instance.

didnt u do the same with all the russians n israelis??
that was not cherry picking,i was just following ur lead.

No, it is funny that Indians who have NOTHING to do with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are so eager to combat a largely defenseless people like the Palestinians (who never did India or Indians any harm) because they are Muslims and thus also lick the boots of your ordinary Israeli (who looks at them the same way he looks at any other brown/dark person) is in my eyes rather pathetic. As I said there is nothing wrong with being an ally but you Indians take it 1 or 2 step above that. It's not just about that. You have a strange and annoying tendency of meddling in ME affairs. Taking parties etc. It' strange if you ask me.

this is a defence forum,ppl will express there opinions,they will argue,take sides,show bravado,,,its internet,thats normal.
doesnt mean they r gonna kill pallestinians for fun.
unlike scores of jihadis from all over te world figting in palestine,,,,indians dont go to israel to fight there wars...
the reason u gave is hilarious,,,because they hate muslims,,then why the same ppl support n congratulate Iran with same zeal?>>>>>because we south asians r emotional(watch our movies,u'll get the idea)
if there was so much hate,,,dont u think the haters wud have driven muslims out of India after partition(mind u,which was based on religion),,what is stopping them from doing it now?
most indians r anti pakistan n anti radical islam,,,,but that is =/= anti islam

India is as much a so-called democracy as some Arab democratic countries. My friend I have lived half of my live in Europe. I am partially European. I know what a democracy is. I live in Denmark after all. A country that is constantly praised for its democratic values, high standards of living etc.

which arab democracies r u talking about?

"My" monarchs (there is only one in KSA btw) do not behave like the Indians I criticize here. In fact our supposed US allies just slandered us. Nor am I not criticizing them when I believe they should be criticized. Just today on PDF I have criticized them in 3 threads. How about that? I don't consider them holy cows. Nor am I responsible for them.

oh come on now,,,,,saudi arabia acts as an extension of US policy in ME,,,thats nothing to be proud of,,,,,,,start a opinion poll here,if u dont believe me.
about u criticizing thm,,,,,ok,i'll take ur word for it.

Anyway I don't get your reaction when that behavior I have described is so obvious. Nowhere am I anti-Indian in my post. I have nothing against India nor Indians. The Indian users that know me here on PDF will tell you this.

u may not be anti-anything,,,,,,but u r self righteous

 

[al-Hasani]

just because an indian agrees,u r right?
anyway,i agree many here have strong opinions,reasons for which i have already stated in my previous post.
i rarely visit arab forum to know there behavior here.but i do get some idea from visiting the iranian forum.


those extra bits(yes they r insulting) u used,only expose ur inability to express ur opinions.


didnt u do the same with all the russians n israelis??
that was not cherry picking,i was just following ur lead.


this is a defence forum,ppl will express there opinions,they will argue,take sides,show bravado,,,its internet,thats normal.
doesnt mean they r gonna kill pallestinians for fun.
unlike scores of jihadis from all over te world figting in palestine,,,,indians dont go to israel to fight there wars...
the reason u gave is hilarious,,,because they hate muslims,,then why the same ppl support n congratulate Iran with same zeal?>>>>>because we south asians r emotional(watch our movies,u'll get the idea)
if there was so much hate,,,dont u think the haters wud have driven muslims out of India after partition(mind u,which was based on religion),,what is stopping them from doing it now?
most indians r anti pakistan n anti radical islam,,,,but that is =/= anti islam


which arab democracies r u talking about?


oh come on now,,,,,saudi arabia acts as an extension of US policy in ME,,,thats nothing to be proud of,,,,,,,start a opinion poll here,if u dont believe me.
about u criticizing thm,,,,,ok,i'll take ur word for it.


u may not be anti-anything,,,,,,but u r self righteous

Not only one Indian. Several. Let alone non-Indians. If you can't see that I am right then I don't know what to say. Eh, Farsis are not Arabs. We are emotional people too.

Which extra bits?

I never wrote all. I just wrote that "many" do so and I gave you a video as evidence of that behavior among Israelis and then I mentioned to you how many Russians view their minorities such as Tatars and Caucasians. Fair to say that most do not have a positive view. Let alone of people from former Muslim Soviet Republics.

No Jihadis are fighting in Palestine. The number of foreigners in Palestine can be counted on 4-5 hands. If @Hazzy997 was around he could confirm this (he is the only Palestinian on this forum). You obviously have no clue about the difficulties of entering Gaza let alone the West Bank.

I have seen a great deal of Indian members hating Muslims but ironically I rarely see them directing their hate against their fellow Muslims as to pretend that everything is rosy among them while India is apparently the number 1 hotspot for terrorist attacks of various kind (far from being Islamic in nature).

Tunisia and Lebanon for instance. Then there are a lot of semi-democracies as they are called. But of course I would never compare them with Western democracies nor should you compared India with Western democracies as those same democracies in the West do not regard you as an equal nor all those Human Rights Watches. For instance there was a case with a Dane her who sold weapons to Maoist rebels in India and the Indian government sentenced him to life in prison in absentia and wanted the Danish state to extradite him to India but Denmark said no due to fear of torture in the Indian prison or even death. Just to give you 1 example. If it was UK for instance they would never reach such a conclusion.

Copenhagen's refusal to extradite Kim Davy irks India to scale down diplomatic ties with Denmark : North, News - India Today

Purulia arms drop case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No it is not. By that logic India is the same added a bit of Russian ingredients. KSA is an ally of the US yes. But it would be absurd to say that KSA policy = USA policy.

Nah, I don't consider myself that just because I reach a conclusion based on data on this forum.

Anyway let's end this discussion. It's not important.

 

[RazPaK]

Indians are anti-Islamic because of the rape and slavery they have endured for 1000 years by warlords.

What they don't seem to understand is that Islam has nothing to do with how those warlords behaved. They were conquerors, and their religion had little to do with what they did.

Islam is a peaceful religion, bhartis.

 

[al-Hasani]

Indians are anti-Islamic because of the rape and slavery they have endured for 1000 years by warlords.

What they don't seem to understand is that Islam has nothing to do with how those warlords behaved. They were conquerors, and their religion had little to do with what they did.

Islam is a peaceful religion, bhartis.

It's just interesting that we see all those Indian keyboard warriors here writing one anti-Muslim post after the other (almost competing in who can write the most anti-Islamic and dumbest post) whenever something happens in the Muslim world or a Muslim farts yet we rarely hear such attitudes against the Muslims of India. Are those Muslims of India a certain special breed that we other Muslims do not know about yet? Are they superior Muslims in other words? I thought they were Muslims like all other Muslims out there whether in India or China.

Anyway why is it that the Indian government has recognized Palestine yet 90% of all Indian users here are vehemently against Palestinian independence and were the biggest cheerleaders when Israel was killing CIVILIAN Palestinians in the hundreds and thousands.

Yet ironically those people try to convince us that it is us that got a problem and not them. Funny because I am yet to hear Arabs talk about Hindus in such manners other than not considering them as faithful or people of the Book. Other than that I am yet to hear about a single hate crime involving Arabs and Hindus. Yet some of them think that Arabs are "out there to get them".

 

[Chanakyaa]

Indians are anti-Islamic because of the rape and slavery they have endured for 1000 years by warlords.

What they don't seem to understand is that Islam has nothing to do with how those warlords behaved. They were conquerors, and their religion had little to do with what they did.

Islam is a peaceful religion, bhartis.

Your Barking Habits Remain Un Changed.
India has its Intelligence Chief.. as a Muslim... beta.. The Day you get a Hindu ISI chief.. tab aa kar Bhaukna.....

 

[Bombaywalla]

Whereas Pakistan is known all over the world for being a saintly, peaceful, tranquil, serene place were people spend their days in quiet contemplation.

sorry, that just tickled my funny bone.

 

[RazPaK]

It's just interesting that we see all those Indian keyboard warriors here writing one anti-Muslim post after the other (almost competing in who can write the most anti-Islamic and dumbest post) whenever something happens in the Muslim world or a Muslim farts yet we rarely hear such attitudes against the Muslims of India. Are those Muslims of India a certain special breed that we other Muslims do not know about yet? Are they superior Muslims in other words? I thought they were Muslims like all other Muslims out there whether in India or China.

Anyway why is it that the Indian government has recognized Palestine yet 90% of all Indian users here are vehemently against Palestinian independence and were the biggest cheerleaders when Israel was killing CIVILIAN Palestinians in the hundreds and thousands.

Yet ironically those people try to convince us that it is us that got a problem and not them. Funny because I am yet to hear Arabs talk about Hindus in such manners other than not considering them as faithful or people of the Book. Other than that I am yet to hear about a single hate crime involving Arabs and Hindus. Yet some of them think that Arabs are "out there to get them".

Indians or Hindus in general, associate Arabs with Pakistanis and tend to become bat shit crazy. When our ancestors converted to Islam, the Hindus in India automatically assumed that we are either Arabs or offspring of Arabs, which is laughable and untrue. We are a very proud and respectable people, unlike the Indians we are not petty and only show the benevolence of our religion. We exercise and praise our religion, and that seems to make them uncomfortable. They accuse us, the original inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilization of being foreigners and Arabs.

They don't seem to realize that we are racially and culturally different from them. And when they make these observations of difference, they automatically accuse Islam and Arabs.

 

[halupridol]

It's just interesting that we see all those Indian keyboard warriors here writing one anti-Muslim post after the other (almost competing in who can write the most anti-Islamic and dumbest post) whenever something happens in the Muslim world or a Muslim farts yet we rarely hear such attitudes against the Muslims of India. Are those Muslims of India a certain special breed that we other Muslims do not know about yet? Are they superior Muslims in other words?

i wont say superior but they r different,,,,how many Indian muslims joined ISIS,AQ?compare that with other countries,,mind u 200 mil Indians follow Islam.

Anyway why is it that the Indian government has recognized Palestine yet 90% of all Indian users here are vehemently against Palestinian independence and were the biggest cheerleaders when Israel was killing CIVILIAN Palestinians in the hundreds and thousands.

lol...because kids from pdf dont make our foreign policy....

Yet ironically those people try to convince us that it is us that got a problem and not them. Funny because I am yet to hear Arabs talk about Hindus in such manners other than not considering them as faithful or people of the Book. Other than that I am yet to hear about a single hate crime involving Arabs and Hindus.

wrong comparison,,,,one is ethnic group other is religion

 

[NDLS]

Indians or Hindus in general, associate Arabs with Pakistanis and tend to become bat shit crazy. When our ancestors converted to Islam, the Hindus in India automatically assumed that we are either Arabs or offspring of Arabs, which is laughable and untrue. We are a very proud and respectable people, unlike the Indians we are not petty and only show the benevolence of our religion. We exercise and praise our religion, and that seems to make them uncomfortable. They accuse us, the original inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilization of being foreigners and Arabs.

They don't seem to realize that we are racially and culturally different from them. And when they make these observations of difference, they automatically accuse Islam and Arabs.

are u an idiot? once your ancestors became muslim you changed your race and culture? lol

 

[al-Hasani]

Indians or Hindus in general, associate Arabs with Pakistanis and tend to become bat shit crazy. When our ancestors converted to Islam, the Hindus in India automatically assumed that we are either Arabs or offspring of Arabs, which is laughable and untrue. We are a very proud and respectable people, unlike the Indians we are not petty and only show the benevolence of our religion. We exercise and praise our religion, and that seems to make them uncomfortable. They accuse us, the original inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilization of being foreigners and Arabs.

They don't seem to realize that we are racially and culturally different from them. And when they make these observations of difference, they automatically accuse Islam and Arabs.

Aha this explains it well. Other than some admixture that Arabs/ME people and Pakistanis share in common Pakistanis are obviously not off-spring of ME people and mostly of indigenous stock. I always find it funny because the supposed horrors that Indian nationalists complain about that were done in the name of Islam (supposedly) had nothing to do with Arabs. In fact they were done by descendants of Mongols such as the Mughals and other rulers. All non-Arabs. Arabs and other ME people (Muslim and non-Muslim) indeed settled in India but this happened mostly as merchants, sailors, advisers to various courts, as doctors, diplomats etc. Then there were few ruling Indian families who claimed Arab ancestry but whether that is correct or not we cannot know.

 

[RazPaK]

are u an idiot? once your ancestors became muslim you changed your race and culture? lol

Where are you from NDLS?

What part of India are you from?


What is your tribe?



I am Punjabi, but even my tribe does not marry with other Punjabis.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Indians are anti-Islamic because of the rape and slavery they have endured for 1000 years by warlords.

You guys are delusional, even before Islam that area of Pakistan was pimped to whoever.

 

[RazPaK]

Aha this explains it well. Other than some admixture that Arabs/ME people and Pakistanis share in common Pakistanis are obviously not offs-spring of ME people and mostly of indigenous origins. I always find it funny because the supposed horrors that Indian nationalists complain about that were done in the name of Islam (supposedly) had nothing to do with Arabs. In fact they were done by descendants of Mongols such as the Mughals and other rulers. Arabs and other ME people (Muslim and non-Muslim) indeed settled in India but this happened mostly as merchants, sailors, advisers to various courts, as doctors, diplomats etc. Then there were few ruling Indian families who claimed Arab ancestry but whether that is correct or not we cannot know.

There were Arabs, and there was Muhammad Bin Qasim. He literally came and destroyed Raja Dahir, who was a Hindu king in Karachi. What the Hindu loyalists seem to not understand is that Muhhamad bin Qasim came because the locals(Hindus/Bhuddists) were not happy with his rule. He was a tyrant and you know what Allah swt said about tyrants. People from his religion were oppressed, and when Muhhmad bin Qasim came, even the locals joined his army. Many of them later converted to Islam, because they were sick of being taken advantage of. Hindu extremists just can't seem to fathom how people of their own religion would choose an outsider against one of their own. They don't seem to realize that the Hindu ruler was a tyrant and was hated among his own people.

 

[Bang Galore]

Anyway why is it that the Indian government has recognized Palestine yet 90% of all Indian users here are vehemently against Palestinian independence and were the biggest cheerleaders when Israel was killing CIVILIAN Palestinians in the hundreds and thousands..

Don't agree with the 90% remark...... as in any discussion, the ones most passionate are the ones who feel strongly about the issue, one way or the other. The vast majority remain somewhere in the middle. If the Indian government's position is that they see Palestinians as a legitimate claimant for a state of their own, it is because most Indians will agree with that position. If you left the extreme voices out, you will likely find that most Indians are likely to support the Palestinian state & are unlikely to have countenanced the Israel attack beyond the first few days, especially when the sight of children being killed was broadcast in their homes. No matter how much dislike Indians may harbour for Pakistanis, you will almost never see that extend to children & women being killed. Hardly about to be different for Palestinians. Indians do support Israel and that support has grown because of over arching friendship on the military & technological front but most will see no contradiction with supporting the Palestinian cause either. Even if they don't care much for Hamas.

 

[al-Hasani]

Don't agree with the 90% remark...... as in any discussion, the ones most passionate are the ones who feel strongly about the issue, one way or the other. The vast majority remain somewhere in the middle. If the Indian government's position is that they see Palestinians as a legitimate claimant for a state of their own, it is because most Indians will agree with that position. If you left the extreme voices out, you will likely find that most Indians are likely to support the Palestinian state & are unlikely to have countenanced the Israel attack beyond the first few days, especially when the sight of children being killed was broadcast in their homes. No matter how much dislike Indians may harbour for Pakistanis, you will almost never see that extend to children & women being killed. Hardly about to be different for Palestinians. Indians do support Israel and that support has grown because of over arching friendship on the military & technological front but most will see no contradiction with supporting the Palestinian cause either. Even if they don't care much for Hamas.

My point is just that Muslims can perceive such kind of strong support for Israel in times like these as a direct support of the murder of Muslims. Imagine it being the other way around and replace Muslims with Hindus. I doubt that such a behavior would NOT raise eyebrows.

What I am trying to say is that Indians should really learn how to distinguish between Islam and what the Muslim rulers who controlled India did. Also distinguish between your rival/enemy (call it want you want) being a Muslim country is not equal to Muslims being your enemies. I was just surprised but such strong anti-Muslim sentiments. I don't see that among Chinese who have their share of Muslims and exposure to Islam or others.

My problem is not the support of Israel among certain Indians but the way that support is manifested. Most Arabs and Muslims don't make it a secret that our ties with Pakistan are bigger but we don't go around and wish for death and destruction for India or Indians nor could I dream of cheerleading if Indians were in the same situation as the Palestinians which is a pretty unique situation. Can you think about any similar situation because I can't.

Arabs/Semites have had 5.000 year old trading ties with parts of India (mostly Northwestern and Southwestern) and they have been cordial and close. Whether during the ancient Incense Route or during the Indian Ocean trade.

Incense Route - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indian Ocean trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Believe it or not but the notion of "Hind" in the Arab world is actually a notion that is mostly positive. There are no negative correlations.

Those strong anti-Muslim sentiments (that target ALL Muslims out there) are looked down upon among Muslim circles in the Muslim world. You can be of the opinion of Israel deserving their own state but not because Israel's enemies are Muslims which I get the impression that many Indians just do.

I pity the Indian Muslims. Stock at one hand between a bunch of Hindu nationalists and fierce anti-Muslims and on other hand Muslims who do not trust them fully, at least in South Asia. Tough luck.