British Army decides to reduce its fleet of Challenger 2 tanks by a third

[Zarvan]

Bong present and future is so bright that you couldn't take the glare and moved overseas

bd average salary: $1,316
UK average salary: £35,423
even our layabouts and the unemployed on average get 6+ times more allowances than your people who are employed in bongland.

Yes and that has great thing you have accomplished. Only issue is it won't help you in war. When Halku Khan conquered Baghdad. He was stunned to see the wealth the king had compiled and he had only one question for the King why didn't you spend it to build a strong force. He said we thought we don't need one and than Halku khan rolled the king in his own expensive carpet and threw him in front of thousands of running horses who crushed him.

 

[Ali_Baba]

UK and Europe are on suicidal path. When you systematically start weakening your Armed Forces you are opening the path for the aggressor. Those who think conventional wars are thing of the past are biggest arrogant fools and will pay the price with their own blood and freedom.

We in the UK donot need tanks anymore? Where are we going to use them? Against raging Russian tanks stamping over the EU? No, we will leave the EU countries "to it" this time, given the way they have behaved with the UK over Brexit !!! They can drown in their own pile of pig shit for what most of the UK people think of the EU right now.

We need a strong airforce, which we are trying to maintain, ie Typhoon fleet upgrades, new AWACSs, F35 procurement and the development of the Tempest Programme.

We need a good navy. Look at the quality of the naval equipment we are producing. Our carriers are better than everything out there baring the new Ford class super carrriers! Only issue, atm, is the quantity of procurement, it is not enough and we need to step it up a level.

Land warfare is a low priority as we will leave the EU to it, since they need that capability FAR FAR more than we will !!!

 

[Vergennes]

We in the UK donot need tanks anymore? Where are we going to use them? Against raging Russian tanks stamping over the EU? No, we will leave the EU countries "to it" this time, given the way they have behaved with the UK over Brexit !!! They can drown in their own pile of pig shit for what most of the UK people think of the EU right now.

As if you personally had any say in the matter. Your country is bound by treaties (Hello,NATO) so indeed if Russian tanks stamp on other NATO countries,which most happen to be part of the EU,you won't leave EU countries "to it".

We keep hearing from the UK government that threats are increasing and the world is becoming more and more insecure yet downsize the size of its armed forces and continue with the cuts they imposed them since they rule the UK since 2010. Most of European countries are increasing their defence budgets and the size of their armed forces.

 

[Ali_Baba]

As if you personally had any say in the matter. Your country is bound by treaties (Hello,NATO) so indeed if Russian tanks stamp on other NATO countries,which most happen to be part of the EU,you won't leave EU countries "to it".

Yes, we are bound by treaties as are the Germans. Remind me again, how "effective" is the German military given that both countries are bound by the "SAME" treaty. How many aircraft can they put into the air? How many submarines can operate in hostilities, or tanks that are available for front line operational use ?????

We keep hearing from the UK government that threats are increasing and the world is becoming more and more insecure yet downsize the size of its armed forces and continue with the cuts they imposed them since they rule the UK since 2010.

Yes they are, but the Russian threat to the EU is far far more than it is to the UK. We need to focus on our Navy and Airforce, and if you look at the defense programmes that the UK is heavily involved in, it is along those two lines. We dont have a land weapons programme of any significance.. you not noticed? Our concern is the defense of the realm, not the EU. Seems like the policy makers have taken the same longterm view of "leaving the EU to it".

Most of European countries are increasing their defence budgets and the size of their armed forces.

Good. About BLOODY TIME !!!!

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

They don't. And as for Europe well Europe as the one which colonized these countries from where immigrants are coming from so they are having taste of their own medicine.

Sweden was a imperialistic power i mean you got your butt kicked that doesn't mean you didn't try

oh yeah about the Swedish colonies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_overseas_colonies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_colonies_in_the_Americas


European aggression in Iraq Libya and the destabilization of the middles east is a factor European aggression didnt suddenly stop after the 20th century

The only example you could find in Africa was a result of a treaty after which Sweden could buy some land for establishing trade. Looks like you just shot yourself in the foot.
Sweden does not see any refugees from the Carribbean Islands.

The destabilization of the Middle East was caused by Saddam Hussein.
Now it is mostly fueled by the proxy wars of KSA/Gulf States and Iran.
As for Libya, Ghaddaffi was a murderous rapist that was killed by his own.
Europe put a stop to his massacres, which was a good thing.
The Libyans are primarily to blame for the disaster afterwards.
They prefer grabbing power over peaceful coexistence.

 

[LeGenD]

Bad decision IMHO.

UK is now a mere shadow of its former-self, and its nationals do not even care anymore?

 

[Wow]

The only example you could find in Africa was a result of a treaty after which Sweden could buy some land for establishing trade. Looks like you just shot yourself in the foot.

Sweden was an imperialistic power with imperialist ambition and if it wasn't for the Russians castrating you at the battle of poltava it would have expanded just like much of European powers at that time at that time and to deny thats is being disingenuous

Sweden does not see any refugees from the Carribbean Islands.

Yes a refugee from the Caribbean would ignore all the countries around it and sail to Sweden

The destabilization of the Middle East was caused by Saddam Hussein.

No sir the Destabilization of the middle east caused by The European powers at the time stabbing the arabs in the back and drawing moronic borders for there own good the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was just releasing the cork
Now it is mostly fueled by the proxy wars of KSA/Gulf States and Iran.

As for Libya, Ghaddaffi was a murderous rapist that was killed by his own.
Europe put a stop to his massacres, which was a good thing.
The Libyans are primarily to blame for the disaster afterwards.
They prefer grabbing power over peaceful coexistence.

Removing Gaddafi and destabilization of Libya caused a mass influx of migrants form north Africa which will eventually end in swedenstan and sweden entry in the Ummah so yea

 

[Jinn Baba]

More downsizing of the fleet, weakening of the military.
I wonder what will happen to the one third, scrap?

probably sell it to existing middle eastern customer
UK's future looks bleak... their society is full of weak "snowflake" men nowadays

Third paragraph - "remaining main battle tanks would be used for spare parts, though it said that some tanks could be patched up for deployment in an emergency."

 

[Damir877]

Not too worried about the Brits.They still pack a serious punch and are powerful enough to take care of themselves.
Not to mention they are a nuclear power and have US behind them,so in any potential war they probably won't go alone.

 

[Wow]

on a different note The Challenger 2 is the best tank in the world i wish Pakistan had them

 

[nahtanbob]

Sweden was a imperialistic power i mean you got your butt kicked that doesn't mean you didn't try

oh yeah about the Swedish colonies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_overseas_colonies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_colonies_in_the_Americas

how many immigrants are coming to Sweden from these colonies ?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Sweden was an imperialistic power with imperialist ambition and if it wasn't for the Russians castrating you at the battle of poltava it would have expanded just like much of European powers at that time at that time and to deny thats is being disingenuous
Yes a refugee from the Caribbean would ignore all the countries around it and sail to Sweden

No sir the Destabilization of the middle east caused by The European powers at the time stabbing the arabs in the back and drawing moronic borders for there own good the invasion of Iraq in 2003 was just releasing the cork
Now it is mostly fueled by the proxy wars of KSA/Gulf States and Iran.
Removing Gaddafi and destabilization of Libya caused a mass influx of migrants form north Africa which will eventually end in swedenstan and sweden entry in the Ummah so yea

The wars within Europe has nothing to do with colonization, and cannot be used as an argument in this thread. Noone in Africa or Asia was involved. The war with Russia in which Poltava was fought was started by a coalition of Russia, Poland and Denmark, not by Sweden.

The destabilization of the middle east can be blamed on the Arabs themselves since they attacked the Roman and Parthian Empires. It can also be blamed on the Turks for deciding to ally with Germany during WW1. After the Ottoman Empire fell, it can again be blamed on Arabs for failing to overcome differences. Borders does not cause conflicts. Primitive tribal thinking does...
It was not written that Libya had to go down the drains. The individual decisions of Arabs caused that.
And no, Muslims coming here are with few exceptions becoming less religious, even if they keep the formalia.

 

[Nein]

Why is Sweden blamed for colonialism??? They may have engaged in it but it was short lived. Sweden was a Contintental power lakin to the Russian, Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian and the German Empire. Denmark had a colonial empire but they only colonised Greenland and a tiny bit of India that was overshadowed by the British, Dutch, French and the Portuguese.

Sweden had a Empire that was mainly based in Europe and its biggest rivals and enemies were Poland, Russia and Denmark. To some extent it was the Habsburgs due to the Thirty Years War and taking up the role of being the defender of Protestantism.

The wars within Europe has nothing to do with colonization, and cannot be used as an argument in this thread. Noone in Africa or Asia was involved. The war with Russia in which Poltava was fought was started by a coalition of Russia, Poland and Denmark, not by Sweden.

The destabilization of the middle east can be blamed on the Arabs themselves since they attacked the Roman and Parthian Empires. It can also be blamed on the Turks for deciding to ally with Germany during WW1. After the Ottoman Empire fell, it can again be blamed on Arabs for failing to overcome differences. Borders does not cause conflicts. Primitive tribal thinking does...
It was not written that Libya had to go down the drains. The individual decisions of Arabs caused that.
And no, Muslims coming here are with few exceptions becoming less religious, even if they keep the formalia.

A lot of the Problems in the Middle East dont come from the Arabs or the Turks. It all dates back to the aftermath of WW1. I dont blame Sweden but the French and the British are to blamed for this blunder.

Allies destroyed the Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian and the German Empires and as a result the world got much worse because the British and the French thought lets wipe out the balance of power for our own interests while promising a country to everybody who fought for us.

Broken promises and broken dreams thats all the British and the French gave. When it comes to nowadays destabilisation of the Middle East it is America that is continuing the work while the various countries like Iran and Saudi engage in a Cold War along with the Qatar vs Saudi Proxy war and blockade.

Ottomans did not ally with the Germans for no reason there was a reason why they allied because the British cannot be trusted and they confiscated the Ottoman bought battleships which allowed pro german politicians in the Empire to exploit this event to enter the war on the side of Germany.