BREAKING : U.S. Seeks to Seize Iranian Fuel Bound for Venezuela

[Pakistani Fighter]

Last time those ships were escorted by Iranian Navy frigates so unless they are ready for military confrontation they should go forth half cocked.

LOL Irani Frigates can't do jackshit against F18s armed with LRSAM

 

[Muhammed45]

LOL Irani Frigates can't do jackshit against F18s armed with LRSAM

What is LRSAM?

 

[Sineva]

LOL Irani Frigates can't do jackshit against F18s armed with LRSAM

I dont think f18s would be carrying Long Range Surface to Air Missiles,in fact thats generally what you`d use to take down an f18.
I think you might`ve got your weapon acronyms mixed up there buddy.
Maybe you meant the JASSM-ER instead,eh?....

What is LRSAM?

Its one of these.....

Long Range Surface to Air Missile
Not the sort of thing an f18 can carry for pretty obvious reasons tho...[LOL!]

 

[Pandora]

LOL Irani Frigates can't do jackshit against F18s armed with LRSAM

They have long range Ashms as well and you dont intercept an oil tanker with F18s but with a ship of their own. Anyways i dont really care either way.

 

[Philosopher]

LOL Irani Frigates can't do jackshit against F18s armed with LRSAM

To begin, lets clarify that F-18's do not carry SAMs; SAM stand for Surface to Air Missiles. Thinking about a conflict, one has to remember that in war, you do not have to fight like with like. In other words, you do not have to deal with the American navy using your own conventional navy. You devise your own tactics to get the job done. Think of it this way, if you have to engage in combat with someone who you knew was a professional boxer, would you fight them in a boxing manner? of course not. You do not fight in a manner they have the upper hand in.

Let me reveal something simple to you that you may find hard to understand. If the Americans would be foolish enough to leave their 5th fleet in the Persian Gulf in case of a conflict, their entire fleet would be disabled in 15 minutes. This is just focusing on Iran's anti-ship ballistic missiles. I do not even need to bring in the 1000s of cruise missiles, UAVs, mines, etc.

Real world conflicts do not mirror what you see in Hollywood.

 

[925boy]

Last time those ships were escorted by Iranian Navy frigates

thats not true, but if you meant to say Venezuelan Frigates then thats probably closer to the truth.

If they are escorted by Iranian naval ships I don't think the seizure would occur ... the last thing the US needs to do is to go to war with Iran right now.

"Iranian warships escorting oil tankers to Venezuela = No US interdiction"

"No Iranian warships are escorting oil tankers to Venezuela = No US interdiction"

Overall US military leverage in the world is going down. We can deny and deny, but reality is always correct.

 

[Pandora]

thats not true, but if you meant to say Venezuelan Frigates then thats probably closer to the truth.



"Iranian warships escorting oil tankers to Venezuela = Not US interdiction"

"No Iranian warships are escorting oil tankers to Venezuela = Not US interdiction"

Overall US military leverage in the world is going down. We can deny and deny, but reality is always correct.

Yeah just rechecked they were escorted by Venezuelan not irani vessels.

 

[925boy]

What can Iran do the US military that the US military cannot do to Iran?

what is the point of htis question? its really irrelevant. We are talking aobut overall strategic posture and regional dominance. Even with all 3 trillion fighter jets US has, obviously US's military deterrence capability has been eroded. NATO cant even gather 1 functional NATO group to patrol anywhere in the world together.

Are you really crazy enough to suggest the Iranian navy can hold the 5th fleet hostage?

stop asking dumb questions and actually counter the argument. if you've looked at the military reality in the PErsian Gulf, its clear Iran can attack and destroy anything within 500KM around the Persian Gulf. Too many cruise missiles, missile boats, UAVs, rockets, subs, warships, for US naval equipment to escape unharmed. US already cleared the Ul Udeid base in Qatar, because the threat posed to US troops there by Iranian Ballistic missiles was too heavy a risk. Remember that your govt wont tell you when they are in trouble..

 

[Big Tank]

LOL Irani Frigates can't do jackshit against F18s armed with LRSAM

Kid, why are you making a joke of we Pakistanis here and making theories like the Indians and Bollywood do

F18 with LRSAMs Looll...

Iranian bros, pls, we aren't born with such Indian IQ. We're your neighbors.

 

[Dariush the Great]

Kid, why are you making a joke of we Pakistanis here and making theories like the Indians and Bollywood do

F18 with LRSAMs Looll...

Iranian bros, pls, we aren't born with such Indian IQ. We're your neighbors.

pakistan as a whole is positive with iran. we dont care about some suicide troll individuals.

 

[Ich]

Me think on every tanker there are up to 50 special forces with modern ATGM against fast boats and MANPADS against helicopters. Also me think there is one or two AShM installed on every tanker. Well, at least me would do so.

 

[dbc]

To begin, lets clarify that F-18's do not carry SAMs; SAM stand for Surface to Air Missiles. Thinking about a conflict, one has to remember that in war, you do not have to fight like with like. In other words, you do not have to deal with the American navy using your own conventional navy. You devise your own tactics to get the job done. Think of it this way, if you have to engage in combat with someone who you knew was a professional boxer, would you fight them in a boxing manner? of course not. You do not fight in a manner they have the upper hand in.

Let me reveal something simple to you that you may find hard to understand. If the Americans would be foolish enough to leave their 5th fleet in the Persian Gulf in case of a conflict, their entire fleet would be disabled in 15 minutes. This is just focusing on Iran's anti-ship ballistic missiles. I do not even need to bring in the 1000s of cruise missiles, UAVs, mines, etc.

Real world conflicts do not mirror what you see in Hollywood.

Amazing the USN gone in 15 minutes.
I’m guessing a barrage of BM’s,CM’s and rockets. Day turned into night by thousands of missiles streaming towards the hapless sailors on the doomed carrier. Is this your fantasy?

First, no you will not find the fleet in the Persian gulf - not during imminent hostilities.

The Chinese have the same idea and yet we roam free in the South China seas. Don’t get me wrong if anyone can pull it off then it is the Chinese. They have more Dong Fengs, with more payload and maneuvering warhead. They have OTH, space based assets and an array of sub surface sensors.

But tell me more, in you fantasy does Iran have long range ISR capabilities, you do realize that your missiles need targets - right? Tell me about Iranian Satellites or high altitude IMINT,SIGINT and MASINT?
Or is Iran counting on its massive fleet of speed boats to cover thousands of miles of open ocean in the hopes of finding the fleet?

Attacking a stationary target, sure all you need are the coordinates.
But highly mobile targets at sea - how is Iran going to find them and track them in real time? Drones? Unlikely the USN will tolerate the presence of Iranian drones around the fleet during times of hostilities.

And then there is the question of guidance? I assume Beidou and Glosnoss for navigation and optical, IR or radar guidance for the terminal phase? Do you really believe the USN have no means to disrupt, decoy, deny or destroy incoming threats? I’m fascinated by Iranian confidence and I wonder if it is warranted?

Also, It is unclear why you assume that the attack on Iran will come from the seas?

Please don’t cite Al Asad - a stationary target plus a free hit for a US wrong doing(illegal assassination).

I’ve said this before the last thing I want is a war with Iran. Please don’t start something because you and your compatriots underestimate the US. Your claim of 15 minute destruction of the fifth fleet sure has me worried about future missteps.

 

[Figaro]

Amazing the USN gone in 15 minutes.
I’m guessing a barrage of BM’s,CM’s and rockets. Day turned into night by thousands of missiles streaming towards the hapless sailors on the doomed carrier. Is this your fantasy?

First, no you will not find the fleet in the Persian gulf - not during imminent hostilities.

The Chinese have the same idea and yet we roam free in the South China seas. Don’t get me wrong if anyone can pull it off then it is the Chinese. They have more Dong Fengs, with more payload and maneuvering warhead. They have OTH, space based assets and an array of sub surface sensors.

But tell me more, in you fantasy does Iran have long range ISR capabilities, you do realize that your missiles need targets - right? Tell me about Iranian Satellites or high altitude IMINT,SIGINT and MASINT?
Or is Iran counting on its massive fleet of speed boats to cover thousands of miles of open ocean in the hopes of finding the fleet?

Attacking a stationary target, sure all you need are the coordinates.
But highly mobile targets at sea - how is Iran going to find them and track them in real time? Drones? Unlikely the USN will tolerate the presence of Iranian drones around the fleet during times of hostilities.

And then there is the question of guidance? I assume Beidou and Glosnoss for navigation and optical, IR or radar guidance for the terminal phase? Do you really believe the USN have no means to disrupt, decoy, deny or destroy incoming threats? I’m fascinated by Iranian confidence and I wonder if it is warranted?

Also, It is unclear why you assume that the attack on Iran will come from the seas?

Please don’t cite Al Asad - a stationary target plus a free hit for a US wrong doing(illegal assassination).

I’ve said this before the last thing I want is a war with Iran. Please don’t start something because you and your compatriots underestimate the US. Your claim of 15 minute destruction of the fifth fleet sure has me worried about future missteps.

Iran is in no position to attack the US military ... simple. If anything an Iranian attack would probably be in Trump's interest anyways since he needs something to fix his sagging poll numbers.

 

[Salmanov]

What do you guys think about going after that orange scum and his family after he steps down

 

[Philosopher]

Amazing the USN gone in 15 minutes.
I’m guessing a barrage of BM’s,CM’s and rockets. Day turned into night by thousands of missiles streaming towards the hapless sailors on the doomed carrier. Is this your fantasy?

It is a hypothetical scenario. I only involved the use of short ranged Ash ballistic missiles to keep it simple.

First, no you will not find the fleet in the Persian gulf - not during imminent hostilities.

That was exactly the point of my comment, that the US would not keep its assets in the Persian Gulf due to the vulnerabilities of their fleet.

The Chinese have the same idea and yet we roam free in the South China seas.

You are also in the Persian Gulf. We are talking about a hypothetical conflict, not peace time maneuvers.

Don’t get me wrong if anyone can pull it off then it is the Chinese. They have more Dong Fengs, with more payload and maneuvering warhead. They have OTH, space based assets and an array of sub surface sensors.

Persian Gulf is relatively small thus no need for overly complicated sensor arrays. However, we know Iran possess 2000-3000 km ranges Anti-ship ballistic missiles. For those to meet their true potential, those sensor arrays will be needed.

But tell me more, in you fantasy does Iran have long range ISR capabilities, you do realize that your missiles need targets - right? Tell me about Iranian Satellites or high altitude IMINT,SIGINT and MASINT?
Or is Iran counting on its massive fleet of speed boats to cover thousands of miles of open ocean in the hopes of finding the fleet?

See above.

Attacking a stationary target, sure all you need are the coordinates.
But highly mobile targets at sea - how is Iran going to find them and track them in real time? Drones? Unlikely the USN will tolerate the presence of Iranian drones around the fleet during times of hostilities.

For targeting those longer range targets outside the Persian Gulf, Iran will need to develop the capability to "see" those targets. However, understand it is getting there quickly. 3000km ranged OTH radar is near/already completed and IRGC has started its spy satellite launches.

And then there is the question of guidance? I assume Beidou and Glosnoss for navigation and optical, IR or radar guidance for the terminal phase? Do you really believe the USN have no means to disrupt, decoy, deny or destroy incoming threats? I’m fascinated by Iranian confidence and I wonder if it is warranted?

You and I have already had this discussion previously. I went in more details regarding the great effort to make Iran's missile accurate using inertial and terminal guidance etc. As for this US ability to disrupt Iranian missiles, lets put the lack of evidence aside. Minus jamming satellite guidance, US cannot deal with these other forms of Iranian systems used to correct missile trajectory.

Also, It is unclear why you assume that the attack on Iran will come from the seas?

Minus using its sea based assets, how else would the US attempt to wage any sorties against Iran?

I’ve said this before the last thing I want is a war with Iran. Please don’t start something because you and your compatriots underestimate the US. Your claim of 15 minute destruction of the fifth fleet sure has me worried about future missteps.

I think you perhaps misunderstood my comment. My disabling of the US fleet was in the context of that fleet remaining in the Persian Gulf in case of a conflict. I am not underestimating the US. My statement is frankly based on pure logic. A fleet, no matter how capable will be defeated by the virtue of attrition alone.

And yes, of course no one here that is sane wants a conflict.