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Who installed Akbar Bugti?

The Army and military establishment back the most vicious feudal lords out there. Even if you look at Gwadar protests the treatment is the same to them as it is to PTI.
You have to work with what the people want. They love their vicious feudal lords. It's the only acceptable move. @Goenitz

Just like PTM is loved by some Pashtuns but worked against PTI leading to the current disaster.

And Mohsin Dawar loved the drone strikes, in fact he called for the army to enter FATA and abolish FATA status.

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Army controlled it, the Civil setup and the society itself needs to change their ideologies, especially extrmism.
That is still ultimately a fault of the state including the army

You can't expect people to abruptly just change their ideologies.

Even worse if you leave gaps you allow foreign hostile elements to fill in those gaps with their own filth. Which is quite present in Pakistan.
 
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Old habits of Khan die hard... he has always been a terrorist apologist by covert action

Even PTM leader Mohsin Dawar thinks so lmao


Here is him admitting vast majority of important terrorists were foreigners being housed


He has a certain fetish for drones though lmfao

 
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You are talking about Pakistanis ? Lol :laugh:

Bengalis were once Pakistanis too. They had the last laugh!


Army controlled it, the Civil setup and the society itself needs to change their ideologies, especially extrmism.

Army couldn't control squat. If they could, we would have not been seeing our jawans getting blown up every now and then. TTP is still as much a threat as it was before. Yes, that does not shift the blame from political administration but if the fauj was actually doing its job rather than meddling in politics and political engineering, things could have been much better both on the economical front as well as the military. But they want to continue experimenting and corruption is not an issue for our not so Pak fauj.


No one is pushing the country anywhere else than a defeated sportsman and his cronies. The sportsman cannot muster enough public behind him to change the direction, which he wants. He has still lots to learn, then maybe someday he will become PM again.

That defeated sportsman and his cronies enjoy the support of over 65% of Pakistanis. If not your PDM would have not been running miles away from the election. You are as clueless about ground realities as those sitting in drawing rooms deciding the faith of the country completely oblivious to the reality. You lot were clueless than when 71 happened, and you care clueless now.
 
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Nobody needs to visit GHQ to understand when duffers of GHQ are sh!tting all over the country.
The most important prerequisite in Army selection is that one need to be a 'Duffer' the bigger duffer the better, in the ISSB test only the low IQ duffers who can take orders from the seniors without any question asked, without batting an eyelid, just slaves of the seniors are selected, and this goes and practiced all over the military hierarchy.

And just as military top brass being the bigger duffers are taking orders from US including the army chief without batting an eyelid and being the lapdogs and bootlickers, it's their SOP's, it's part of their hierarchical system in place.

Reason, questions, criticism, critique, dissent is absolutely not practiced and that is the reason for the people with the lowest IQ like Bajwa, who couldn't comprehend the destruction he is unleashing at the country are promoted to the post of Army Chief and the new chief as well upping the ante.
 
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I don't think so... Yes, some violent protests may sprout, but actually, you just need people to storm anything.
Yes, people are agitated but are not channelled. Someone is needed to point the direction towards the parliament etc.
Same thing, I just put it mildly. :smokin:

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You have to work with what the people want. They love their vicious feudal lords. It's the only acceptable move. @Goenitz

Just like PTM is loved by some Pashtuns but worked against PTI leading to the current disaster.

And Mohsin Dawar loved the drone strikes, in fact he called for the army to enter FATA and abolish FATA status.

Those vicious feudal lords are imposed. They rig the voting system in Sindh/Balochistan and have their own private militias to keep the population in check. Even Akbar Bugti wasn’t that popular but that entire showdown with Musharraf made him out to be a hero.

PTM was a good movement in the very beginning as Manzoor Pashteen was right about a lot of things but then took a turn for the worst. The recent acquittal of Rao Anwar shows that their movement has failed, with PYM leaders cozying up to PPP.

Despite all of that, the people of Waziristan and Balochistan remain steadfast in the face of adversity. This is why I don’t see the insurgencies in either of those places dying down.

Nah you are glorifying terrorists

Just like you glorify Faqir of Ipi. The real ideologue of today's TTP

Faqir of Ipi fought valiantly and did a good resistance against the British occupiers. The British had to bomb Waziristan to try to control that place.

But of course just like how Pajeets talk about “terrorists” in Kashmir you constantly talk about “terrorists” in Waziristan/Balochistan. Even though I talk about the people only.

You are his fan. You should be grateful to establishment for installing him

Everything he said turned out to be true.
 
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Those vicious feudal lords are imposed. They rig the voting system in Sindh/Balochistan and have their own private militias to keep the population in check. Even Akbar Bugti wasn’t that popular but that entire showdown with Musharraf made him out to be a hero.

PTM was a good movement in the very beginning as Manzoor Pashteen was right about a lot of things but then took a turn for the worst. The recent acquittal of Rao Anwar shows that their movement has failed, with PYM leaders cozying up to PPP.

Despite all of that, the people of Waziristan and Balochistan remain steadfast in the face of adversity. This is why I don’t see the insurgencies in either of those places dying down.
They're still worshipped and many people will defend them regardless of this, it's just simple tribalism.

Also according to the story they weren't even trying to kill him, according to a jirga system held he lost all feudal power. But when they went to locate him for negotiations it turned into a fire fight and the place he was hiding in collapsed.

Anyway PTM and most of these other groups are just linked to foreign intelligence, I will make a thread some time on it but it's connected to the SAATH forum.
 
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They're still worshipped and many people will defend them regardless of this, it's just simple tribalism.

Also according to the story they weren't even trying to kill him, according to a jirga system held he lost all feudal power. But when they went to locate him for negotiations it turned into a fire fight and the place he was hiding in collapsed.

Anyway PTM and most of these other groups are just linked to foreign intelligence, I will make a thread some time on it but it's connected to the SAATH forum.

Pakistan is lumber 1 in messaging so whatever facts there are in the situation end up getting distorted or just ignored because of the establishment’s own actions. Blackout of gwadari protests is a good example of this because it allows WION to hold coverage of it.

I don’t believe PTM is linked to foreign intelligence only because the army is actively working with them and gave Mohsin Dawar a government post regarding foreign affairs. If it was such a threat then why give him out of all people a gov post?
 
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