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we had this deal like a year ago. They are simply delivering what we paid for.

No you idiot the deal was not from a year ago it was from YEARS ago.
I am not stating a conspricy theory just the fact that i find it strange that these planes arrive during the standoff at lal masjid.




like above member said give us the F-22 for 200 alqida terrorist.

As braindead as you are they did not get the f22 but millions of dollars from the US.
Same fuc*king thing...



dabong, I hope you are not visiting terrorist forums. they will track you down like a dog. :p

Are we angry becauce i did not go along with your crap in condeming everybody thats against mushy.
You sorry a*s i bet you loved general zia and every other dictator pakistans had?
You let the mullah who is a genuine militant wear a burkha and get away with it while the moderate mullah is killed.
....you want me to add i little bit of an insult like calling you dog that will be hunted down for supporting a military dictatorship in pakistan.
 
Whats happened to you dude? You were not so violent when u started off.


Did not realize that if did not go along with everybody on the forum in calling for the killing of the mullah i would be seen as a terrorist sympathiser.
Please go and check my post about lal masjid and tell once where have said there should be any violence.
Everybody else wanted the pakistani airforce to bomb the masjid,kill the mullah,have a assualt of the masjid and all other violent means to end the crisis,but i am the one that is violent?
 
Abdul Rashid Ghazi killed during “Operation Silence”
Tuesday July 10, 2007 (2034 PST)

ISLAMABAD: Sources of Interior Ministry have confirmed the death of the khateeb (Rector) of Lal Masjid Ghazi Abdul Rashid during the exchange of fire with security apparatus conducting “Operation Silence”, and has been confirmed by sources of interior ministry.

He was killed during a four hour encounter, alongwith his 5-7 closely knit associates while hiding in a bunker, after receiving a bullet wound in his leg, today Tuesday. Security apparatus asked him to surrender, which he refused after being pressurized by his associates, against his wishes. The aged mother of the killed khateeb had also succumbed earlier to bullet wounds

According to a statement of Secretary Interior Kamal Shah, the dead body of the killed khateeb was lying within the confines of Jamia Hafsa, and would be taken out after the area is cleared of debris.

Earlier, the operation started at wee hours of morning at 0400 hrs, and took a whole day to conclude; 15-16 hours to be precise.

The first skirmish took place at 0400 hrs, and lasting until 0800 hrs, tolled 40 miscreants, and 8 security personnel, after which the security forces managed to make their way into Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa. Some Army commandoes were also wounded during the ensuing skirmish, due to a temporary advantageous position taken by some miscreants atop the tall minaret of the mosque, who were ultimately flushed out from there.

Clearing the complex mazes and hidden basements, of the ill-fated seminary, which provided excellent cover and protection to Abdul Rashid Ghazi and women and children took quite an effort.

The underground portion of the seminary contained 75 rooms, which were cleared, but another dangerous aspect of hidden tunnels, reinforced by hidden bunkers were not yet discovered for some time.

The operation tolled more than 100 miscreants while 12 security personnel lost their lives as well, including a Captain suleman. The exact toll of children and women lost in the operation is however not yet known, despite the fact that good majority of them were in the vicinity at the time of operation, while 150 persons have surrendered or have been captured alive.
 
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I am not stating a conspricy theory just the fact that i find it strange that these planes arrive during the standoff at lal masjid.
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dates are usually fixed along time the contracts are signed
 
dates are usually fixed along time the contracts are signed

Am i also wrong in saying that everytime a high US offical arrives in pakistan mushy launches an anti taliban/militant operation,or is that also part of some contract?
 
No you are not wrong, but this has particular incident no US connection nor is the F-16's releated
 
A well reasoned article on this sad affair.



An inevitable end



By Shireen M Mazari

The writer is director general of the Institute of Strategic Studies, Islamabad

The inevitable finally happened in the Jamia Hafsa-Lal Masjid saga and the military operation against the terrorists commenced – and still continues at the time this column is being written. While dialogue and negotiations were attempted by Ulema and politicians before and after the preparations for the operation had begun and the area was cordoned off, the language of the leaders of Lal Masjid remained uncompromising. They were simply not prepared to subject themselves to the law of the land. In other words, they were quite prepared to use women and children and adult hostages as human shields until the state allowed them their freedom – or what they referred to as "safe passage". This safe passage was demanded not just for the leadership but also for the mass of dangerous home-grown and foreign militants who had been gathering at the Lal Masjid over the last few months when the state had effectively withdrawn its writ from this area and allowed total freedom of movement to and from the Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa – raising some critical questions relating to the state's "linkages" with these people. After all, it was simply inexplicable as to why the state was not only refusing to act against a clear and dangerous defiance of the writ of the state but was also not restricting free access in and out of the occupied areas.

The surprise as to the strong level of resistance, the impressive military training of the terrorists and the large cache of lethal weapons and communications' hardware clearly reflects the lack of human intelligence that could have been gathered over the last few months if the activities had been carefully monitored. Also, some of us had been warning that with the successful separation of foreign militants from some of the tribals in FATA, the former would be seeking to move out and would try to "disappear" into the populated urban centres of the country. It seems that that is what happened in the case of the Lal Masjid where a number of well-trained foreign terrorists had amassed.

Interestingly, a number of foreign journalists and analysts, especially American, were in frequent contact with Abdul Rashid Ghazi and had been allowed to view the military hardware he had surrounded himself with (and some had reported this in their stories/articles). As one of these analysts put it: Ghazi was liked by the American journalists because he was familiar with western idiom! Given this level of superficiality, one wonders whether his action against the Chinese endeared him further.

Meanwhile, during the course of the over six-day direct stand-off between the state and the Jamia Hafsa-Lal Masjid combine, a strange theatre of the absurd began to unfold – with the burqa escape attempt being just one reflection of it. What was more distressing was how the Lal Masjid leadership had continuous and free access to the media which was used skilfully in efforts to give some level of rationality to the extremist agenda. The human angle of innocent children and women being held captive was also successfully exploited through the media which, at times, lost sight of the dangerous designs of the Jamia Hafsa-Lal Masjid combine.

The role of the media, in fact, became central to the whole issue and its public face, as journalists risked their lives to provide on-the-spot reporting. One cannot help but admire and commend the emerging independent Pakistani media for their commitment to report from the frontline. However, what is more debatable is the discernible shift the media affected in its own role – from being observers and reporters of events to advisers and aspiring mediators on possible courses of action. As the sleepless nights and pressure began to tell on the media, some showed a tendency to hysteria and there was one bizarre instance when the government sought, unnecessarily, to vacate the press club by force and in response a media man declared that he would reveal all as to how the security personnel were deliberately targeting-to-kill journalists.

That the Lal Masjid incident was going to have countrywide repercussions was also clear early on in the week when security forces were attacked and once again innocent Chinese lost their lives – this time in Peshawar. Clearly, the terrorist networks linked to Lal Masjid sought to undermine the Pakistan-China relationship in an effort to weaken the Pakistani state. With the actual commencement of the military aspects of the operation, one has already heard reports of protests in NWFP and efforts to block the KKH – again revealing an indirect attack on the Pakistan-China relationship. Is it a mere coincidence that the militants and the US have a similar anti-China design?

What the final toll of this operation will be in terms of innocent lives lost remains to be seen but even one innocent Pakistani life lost is one too many. But sometimes the state has little choice and in this case any more leeway given to the terrorists would have emboldened them into further acts of terror. After all, this is what had happened so far with the kidnappings and blackmail in order to get their militant agenda furthered. With each act of defiance and kidnapping, there were negotiations and dialogue on the part of the state, followed by yet another defiance of the law.

As for the state, it must learn some hard lessons from this whole incident, not the least of which is not to allow such a situation to develop again. Why was the stand-off allowed to fester for months with not even a cordoning off of the area so that movement of personnel and material could at least be monitored if not stopped? Equally important, once the wherewithal for the operation was being put in place, some media-access restrictions on the Lal Masjid leadership should have been enforced. Similarly, the problems for locals of the area should have been anticipated and dealt with in an effective contingency plan. That these ordinary Pakistanis suffered with infinite patience is a testimony to their national commitment.

As time lapsed, while efforts to remove the hostages failed, the terrorists got sufficient time to lay their traps and plan their operations. Perhaps formal negotiations, which had begun a day before the operations commenced could have been put in place earlier. Perhaps the most important aspect was the need to have absolutely correct intelligence of the actual lay of the land inside.

Finally, despite the sceptics who felt, and may still do, that this whole incident was timed for political exploitation, there was a need to deal firmly with this challenge to the writ of the state. Whatever the political divides within the state, extremism and such violent challenges to the writ of the state cannot be tolerated. Equally, as has become evident, a state that accommodates criminals and lawbreakers within its official structures will find the nation unconvinced when it deals with large scale challenges to its writ. If the nation is to unite in upholding the writ of its state, then the state must maintain a credible transparency and responsiveness towards civil society. No government should exploit such a tragedy politically.

This is a time for introspection and sober reflection for both state and civil society – especially for the religious leadership – as we face the fallout of this incident. The suffering of the innocent children of Lal Masjid should lead us to reassert the Quaid's vision of Pakistan. In that lies our only salvation as a nation.



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Am i also wrong in saying that everytime a high US offical arrives in pakistan mushy launches an anti taliban/militant operation,or is that also part of some contract?

Thats true i agree.
 
Dude, even a monkey can type things into a translator - in Japanese since I'm so darn intelligent

私がどの位聡明なのか見てください!! (Look how clever I am!!)

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

yes i can tell iam dealing with a Monkey in frustration you have left the boat and straight to attacking.
you proved to be very clever for a monkey.but no matter how clever the monkey it still belongs in the ZOO.
 
Dawn




There is no room for complacency, and the government must relentlessly pursue terrorists and criminals masquerading as 'soldiers of Islam'.

They are in a position to keep creating trouble for the government every now and then, but as [mosque leader] Abdul Aziz's escape bid and the outcome of the Lal Masjid stand-off show, they are cowards because they know their stand lacks a moral basis.

The nation's support for the authorities on the crackdown against the Lal Masjid brigade should strengthen the government's position.

The government must also order an inquiry into why and how the intelligence agencies failed to get wind of the goings-on in the Lal Masjid and the stockpiling of arms and ammunition in such large quantities.

Talebanism has destroyed Afghanistan. Let it not harm Pakistan.
 
Talebanism has destroyed Afghanistan. Let it not harm Pakistan.

Afghanistan was destroyed way before the Taliban even existed. The factional fighting after the Soviet invasion made sure of that.

But Talibanization can't really seep into Pakistan, not in the developed regions.
 
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Relatives and Pakistani Army officials attend funeral prayers of Lieutenant Colonel Haroon Islam who was martyred on 08 July 2007 in an operation at Islamabad's besieged Red Mosque, in Lahore Pakistan 10 July 2007. Pakistan's security forces claimed to have rescued some 80 hostages being held by Islamic militants as death toll in the fight rose to 58, including Mosques deputy administrator Abdul Rashid Ghazi and eight soldiers. EPA/RAHAT DAR
 
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Pakistani Army spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad (L) and Interior Ministry's spokesman Javed Cheema (R) talk with journalists during the security forces launch final assault 'Operation Silence' against Islamist militants holed up in besieged Red Mosque in Islamabad Pakistan 10 July 2007. Pakistan's security forces claimed to have rescued some 80 hostages being held by Islamic militants as death toll in the fight were 58, including Mosques deputy administrator Abdul Rashid Ghazi and eight soldiers. EPA/T. MUGHAL
 
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